So recently decided to give my Stilo 2.4 Selespeed a second chance.

It have been parked for 5 years same spot and haven't moved, besides Down into the Earth

Car is starting fine with no troubles, when the crankshaft sensor not acting up. New one is on the way.

But getting errors on all major component.

Airbag failure

Power Sterring failure

Engine failure (got it down to the crankshaft sensor)

Gearbox failure (reason it Got parked in first place)

My biggest problem is to understand if all these failures have come up is about the lacking voltage older battery have had. Or if any other fix Can Be made..

If anyone can recommed a god error code reader i Would appreciate.

Sorry about my english.. Hope you get the point.

First, any battery left that long will be scrap. It will be difficult to get a good charge into it, so voltage will never be good enough. Low voltage will cause lots of errors. A new, or known good battery may make all the errors go away, so start there.

For code reading, ideally you need MultiECUScan http://www.multiecuscan.net/
Search on this forum about MES for more details, but the free version will read the codes. Pay the licence and you can clear codes and perform service resets and lots of other diagnosis. A brilliant tool.
Other code readers will do engine only.

Check battery clamps are clean and clamp securely

Hi, and welcome to FF,

as stated - a dip in battery voltage to ECU will flag up all kinds of problems,
as it's not getting the responses it had predicted.

as you'll know the stilo didn't have the most robust of wiring schemes, so even a poor earth/ground connection will take a toll,

1, fit good battery,

2, get starting / running

3, attempt to clear remaining error codes / messages,

Charlie

Agreed, any car that has been stood first port of call needs to be to throw a new battery in her and see what runs.


It'd be worth checking the battery voltage when the vehicle is running too, you want to make sure the alternator is still functioning.

The had a new 74a battery fitted before starting out and alternator is pumping out 13.7v when running. And Just ordered cable Kit om eBay and bougt a licens for MES. Cutrrntly trying to Find the earth connection on it.. but Still playing hide and seek.

In that case I'd say you have a 'dry joint' - i.e. an electrical connection that's got some corrosion on it and causing a poor connection either power or earth side.


Get some fine sand paper / wire wool, emery cloth or at worst just unplug and plugging stuff in a few times can wear away any corrosion and start checking connections, battery connections, relays, fuses the lot.


It's Italian, they invented electrical problems but don't let it beat you. Work your way around the more common suspects first.


Keep in mind that it's more than possible for the instrument clusters to go faulty too. Things like ABS and power steering you can test fairly easily (brake hard on some grass or something).


My car for instance as you turn it on and the current drops reports oil warning briefly as you start it, then clears itself and reports "check ok" on startup.

Maxxyr said:

The had a new 74a battery fitted before starting out and alternator is pumping out 13.7v when running. And Just ordered cable Kit om eBay and bougt a licens for MES. Cutrrntly trying to Find the earth connection on it.. but Still playing hide and seek.

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Hi,
13.7V is too low, it will barely mintain the level of charge. You should be getting about 14V on a modern car with lights and other loads off and a minimum of 13.8V fully loaded (full headlights, rear de-mist etc on. check connections and cables first but may be a faulty alternator. Possibly corroded slip rings or stuck brushes, pull the regulator / brush pack out, make sure brushes are moving, put back in and check again.

Robert G8RPI

Robert

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It's Italian, they invented electrical problems but don't let it beat you. Work your way around the more common suspects first.

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Yeah, blame Volta, its all his fault

Robert G8RPI.

So fare it's only the bank account hurting.

Came to the conclusion that the rear brake caliper must be dead, spend 2 hours on one rear disc and caliper to get it off. and had no luck.. Stilo won.

I'm guessing the airbag and power steering errors are from low voltage for a year or two ago, when the old battery where out of juice. But waiting patiently for the cables to come so I can try in first place to remove the errors and see if I will get rid of me.

Now waiting for new discs and pads to arrive and the crank shaft sensor. And will see if I can get some new rear calipers cheap.

But so fare I'm impressed how cheap it actually turning out to maybe get it back on the road, if I'm lucky with the power steering and airbag errors not turning in to any expensive repairs..

So fare only needed 1L selespeed oil, and the new crankshaft sensor and a oil/filter change for engine and gearbox to work..

And will in the mean time see if I can find where the earth connection are placed to clean them off.

Following the service last week, my Stilo came back with a warning over maybe needing a new rear right/offside calliper. Also needed new pads and discs.

Also needs a radiator or hoses depending on where they find the leak. Clutch is worn. Knew that anyway. It's gonna run into a few hundred quid I know. But I'd rather get it fixed and keep it on the road then take my chances with a banger or go get into loads of finance and debt for a new car. I drive the Stilo at weekends only really. Keeping it is the most sensible option really. I'm happy getting parts & they seem happy doing the labour.

Euro Car Parts currently have a 30% off sale that ends tonight. I took advantage of that for the pads & discs & radiator.

What caught me was the cost of a calliper though. ECP wanted £100+ & the old one back (or another £35). I found a genuine Bosch OE rear right calliper on Ebay from a reputable seller for £60.

Edwardo85 said:

Euro Car Parts currently have a 30% off sale that ends tonight. I took advantage of that for the pads & discs & radiator.

What caught me was the cost of a calliper though. ECP wanted £100+ & the old one back (or another £35). I found a genuine Bosch OE rear right calliper on Ebay from a reputable seller for £60.

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Will have a look at that retailer, And see if the stilo need something I haven't thought about so fare.

Also looked at the eBay prices of calipers earlier and think I might just go for some cheap ones at 100£ for a set and with no deposit to be made in exchange as most retailer requires.

Maxxyr said:

Will have a look at that retailer, And see if the stilo need something I haven't thought about so fare.

Also looked at the eBay prices of calipers earlier and think I might just go for some cheap ones at 100£ for a set and with no deposit to be made in exchange as most retailer requires.

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ECP are a bit limited for parts really. They have some bits but miss others (they had the radiator but no hoses for example). But their prices are pretty good, especially with the discounts on. Discounts have been on a lot lately as well. 20 - 30 %.

Brakes are something that I wouldn't scrimp on quality. I'm happy with an original Bosch OE grade part, because thats what it came with. If I'd of had to stump up £100+ for a part I had faith in then I would have. I also went for Brembo pads & discs, because it was splitting pennies really between those and names I know/trust less for those kinda parts. I think you should always spend as much as you can quality parts. Last month I may not have been so keen to part with the money. I didn't have it.

I can't believe you let your 2.4 sit there for so long. I wish you all the best in getting it back out on the road again.

Would have loved the OE caliper also, but 100 with postage it's to steep for now. And somewhere im hopeing that the caliper are fine when i get em off, so i can spare that expense.

Luckily i only paid around 40000 pounds for it when i bought it back in 2002 thanks to the 180% tax on cars here ?

The OE calliper was £60, which would be £120 a set. Still a massive improvement on ECP and other large retailers for price. But yeah that is still quite a bit of money.

You may be able to get away with new calliper pins and cleaning the calliper unit up. You can buy pin replacement kits on ebay for about £15. I've never done it so can't say when a calliper is worth saving. I just found out about the kits whilst looking for a new unit.

That is a ludicrous rate of tax !

For what you can get a pair of pattern calipers for I'd buy new - they're not that expensive really. Stilo rear calipers seem overly prone to seizing up for some reason and having one side that's reverse threaded is a bit odd ball these days.

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Edwardo85 said:

The OE calliper was £60, which would be £120 a set. Still a massive improvement on ECP and other large retailers for price. But yeah that is still quite a bit of money.

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international shipping where around 40£ each just called fiat here, and they wanted just about 260£ Each, so will pay the ludicrous shipping.. :bang:

Fiat have seemingly ramped up the cost of parts. I'm guessing since the rules changed on servicing for car on contract hire or finance (i.e. you now don't have to go to a main dealer) they have lost out & are trying to make the money on parts instead.

The local Fiat dealer quoted me £120+ for a pair of check straps for the door. Previously they were literally half that a few years back.

Needless to say I'm patiently waiting for a set to crop up elsewhere. It's not a critical part but I do want it doing.

Do anyone have a clue to where the earth connection in the 2.4 can be found?

I think it's on top of the gearbox casing (at least it is on my manual 'box version). By the way it's worth considering adding extra earthing if you can.