Thanks for that, but I'm still gutted, I had a 1.6 Brava prior to the Stilo and it was a lot quicker, perhaps it's a weight thing, or maybe just the fact that with all the regulation on emissions, engines are suffocated, hence the poor performance. My first car was a 1982 FIAT 127 1300 GT back in 1988 and bugger did it go, it'd stick with those XR2s and in those days and they were a 1600, ahh, sorry I'm harping on about the good old days, when FIATs went like s**t off a shovel but rusted away, now they've got the rust thing sorted and gone backwards on the engines................who knows?