nikkiy9 said:

Yellow Stilo, are your speedo's using KPH or MPH?

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Sorry for the delay, i have both KMH and MPH clusters.

Don't suppose anyone knows anywhere in Beds / Herts area that will do dash while I wait?! As read a couple of places that do.

Thanks

What do you mean by "do a dashboard"?
I've seen someone change the cluster in under 15 minutes (4 srews ans 1 connector). You should be able to do that yourself in about the same amount of time. If you mean repair a cluster while you wait... I reckon there's not a big chance...

gr J

Update for all those who said don't get a low powered battery!!

IT WON'T START!

3 days of not using car is dead, garage who looked at last week said unlikely battery not powerful enough...something draining it, could be the faulty dash.

Breakdown people on way.

Will they be able to check draining theory?

Is it looking best to cut losses and by 50AH + battery or as garage says is this unlikely to solve? If there is a drain by faulty dash it won't matter what battery in it I suppose.

Cheers A3jeroen re dash if I get it started I'll consider recond dash at this rate.

As said before buy the biggest battery that fits in the battery tray (i have 74Ah in my 1.6) - then connect one terminal and connect a multimeter between the second terminal and the battery to measure the drawn current with key off.
Set 10A range (probably have to change the position of the red lead) and don't start the car in this condition!
Post the read value here and we will be able to tell you if that is an acceptable value.

Garage said battery fine, no drain on it and fully charged and is powerful enough to start car easily. Car started once warmed up in the day!

Breakdown guy and garage I took to after who did diag with examiner and tested battery said cannot see why it didn't start...mystery.

HornetUK said:

Garage said battery fine, no drain on it and fully charged and is powerful enough to start car easily. Car started once warmed up in the day!

Breakdown guy and garage I took to after who did diag with examiner and tested battery said cannot see why it didn't start...mystery.

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Hornet I've seen that lately I have a bit of problem starting the car in the mornings (especially when misty and moist atmosphere), engine turns about 5-6 times until it starts. I thought it was the battery first but the engine is turning, therefore I blamed it on the spark plugs. This happened until I couldn't start it one morning so decided to take a trip down to local shop (45 mins walk in rain ) and buy some good spark plugs, changed them and hey presto, started! Still starts in the morning harder but starts. If I manage to get out of the winter will change the battery this autumn (to be fair have no clue what battery I have, never changed it since I bought my stilo, think it's a bosch silver one though).

If in the mornings the car doesn't start (let's say you keep turning the engine for 10 seconds and car doesn't start) don't over-do-it. Otherwise you'll drown the engine block in petrol and have to wait until it dries or have to start it by pressing the clutch and the accelerator pedal (if you press it slowly and keep it pressed, the mixture of petrol and air is rebalanced as you let more air into the engine so there's no need to wait for the engine to dry).

Sorry for the long post, hope this helps!
Andy

PS: try the clutch+accelerator start only as a last resort, if not done properly you might drown the engine even more in petrol! I won't take responsibility for anything that would go wrong.

In the old days one could start a flooded engine by pressing the accellerator all the way during starting and releasing it after the engine caught.
Although this worked fine on the old carburettorengines it won't work on our "drive by wire" Stilo's.
The only way of getting rid of the petrol is removing the fuse for the petrolpump and/or injectionsystem. IIRC that's fuse 17 (behind the battery) on a 1.6.

gr J

A3jeroen said:

In the old days one could start a flooded engine by pressing the accellerator all the way during starting and releasing it after the engine caught.
Although this worked fine on the old carburettorengines it won't work on our "drive by wire" Stilo's.
The only way of getting rid of the petrol is removing the fuse for the petrolpump and/or injectionsystem. IIRC that's fuse 17 (behind the battery) on a 1.6.

gr J

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I still managed to start my stilo that way maybe it was good fortune. I know it's supposed to be for old engines, but it worked a treat to be fair. In order to get rid of the petrol I first tried removing the coil packs and spark plugs and leave it opened for half an hour - an hour, that should evaporate the petrol anyway.

A

I had a go at getting the cluster out, managed it all but couldn't get it past the steering wheel once disconected, does it come past the wheel easily as I tried all ways!

I started mine a couple of weeks ago with accelerator fully down and it worked, does it mean I've still got petrol stuck somewhere then?

Just takes a few attempts to start now, think I will get a another battery very soon as now I have dead dash and trouble starting, didn't used to have either!

Thanks for all the help so far...good thing is I am still drivingh it with a sat nav for speedo!

HornetUK said:

I had a go at getting the cluster out, managed it all but couldn't get it past the steering wheel once disconected, does it come past the wheel easily as I tried all ways!

I started mine a couple of weeks ago with accelerator fully down and it worked, does it mean I've still got petrol stuck somewhere then?

Just takes a few attempts to start now, think I will get a another battery very soon as now I have dead dash and trouble starting, didn't used to have either!

Thanks for all the help so far...good thing is I am still drivingh it with a sat nav for speedo!

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1. yes, the cluster come out fairly easily, just pull the unlocking lever (can't remember now how it's called, the thingy that allows you to adjust height and furtherness of the wheel) on the wheel pull it towards you and as far down as possible.

2. there's no petrol stuck anywhere after you've started the engine. Well if you've tried a few time to start the engine (let's say 5 times holding the key about 10 seconds each), imagine the combustion chamber, that will have petrol in it as you have tried to start the engine and for every revolution of the engine more petrol is added to the combustion chamber. Once the engine is on, all the petrol from the combustion chamber is ignited therefore no leftovers

3. wouldn't recommend using the gps as speedo, just because it is very accurate and if you go with 31 in a 30 zone and there's a camera... well let's just say it's not worth £60 or how much the ticket is. The internal clusters are deliberately set to show +1-3 more mph just to be on the safe side.

and 4. if it doesn't start immediately there are 2 options, spark plugs or battery. I had the same problem, blamed the spark plugs at the beginning (that was a week ago) as the engine was still turning, changed them and this morning my battery was flat. Had to pay for cabs to go to the local shop and grab a battery.

Hope this helps,
A

Thanks for all the advice andreist31 will have another try.

Will a JTD 1.9 cluster replace mine or are they different as there are a couple on ebay.

Will it plug and work or as not bothered about mileage being wrong?

I know Abarth won't go as it has screen, but are all others the same, mine is 1.4 petrol.

Thanks

Got a reply from ebay seller that JTD clusters only work in diesel stilos..is that correct.

Also anyone know what happens if I buy a petrol 1.4 or 1.6 one will that just plug in and work?

Thanks again all

HornetUK said:

Got a reply from ebay seller that JTD clusters only work in diesel stilos..is that correct.

Also anyone know what happens if I buy a petrol 1.4 or 1.6 one will that just plug in and work?

Thanks again all

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I am not sure about the JTD cluster on a petrol stilo, yellowstilo should be the person to ask about that. But I can confirm that the abarth (with the big lcd) works on petrol version, as I have it installed :slayer:

A

why on earth would you fit a diesel cluster in a petrol car ????
I really don't understand you - lots of people tried to help you here, i already made you an offer for a working cluster with the correct mileage programmed, your problem could have been solved already if you really wanted....

yellowstilo I am looking for a cluster that is cheaper the car is 8 years old with 82k on clock, so I want to spend as little as possible there are a few on ebay for between £40 and £80 delivered and some I could collect so would get for nearer £40.

andreist31 so the abarth one will plug and work, but presume no mileage etc as its a different display to the LCD on 1.4 and 1.6?

Thanks again all.

HornetUK said:

yellowstilo I am looking for a cluster that is cheaper the car is 8 years old with 82k on clock, so I want to spend as little as possible there are a few on ebay for between £40 and £80 delivered and some I could collect so would get for nearer £40.

andreist31 so the abarth one will plug and work, but presume no mileage etc as its a different display to the LCD on 1.4 and 1.6?

Thanks again all.

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The abarth one will plug in and work, I have it for a week or so now and I'm really happy, all the functions of the old one but on a shiny colour lcd. but you will need to do a proxy alignment on the CAN BUS (otherwise you will get loose connection error, fuel sensor failure, flashing mileage, no access to all functions of the cluster, and this applies to any cluster you replace) and correct the mileage (both by using an ELM 327 cable and FiatEcuScan software). Note that you can correct the mileage if the mileage on the old one is lower, i.e. you can increase the mileage on a cluster but can't decrease it.

the cluster from 1.4 and 1.6 (and 1.2) are the same as far as I know.

oh, btw there are 2 types of abarth dials, the one with the big colour lcd (02 abarth version I think) and the ones without the big colour lcd, has a normal one. Both will work but I personally prefer the colour lcd.

If you get a cluster and need to of a proxy alignment on it, I'm in Mid-Wales, Aberystwyth and if you pop by I could quickly do it for you, takes 5 mins or so

Andy

andreist31 thanks for all of the advice, so upon plugging a new one in the speedo won't even work, fuel gauge etc? But it will only take 5 mins for a Fiat examiner owner to sort?

Mid Wales is a bit far from me in Bedfordshire, thanks very much for the offer though.

Also found the below in another post on here which says second hand one will just plug and play besides mileage is that correct? Thanks again

carlmiddleditch said:

Hi
This forum has really helped my problem with my instrument cluster, so here was my soloution. My instruments started to go crazy and die for periods of a few seconds to hours and then it completly died a week before my mot! Fortunately my brother-in-law has car tuning and diagnostic garage he plug his comp into my car which told us the obvious - the dash did not work - that did however eliminate other problems though like power supply etc... A call to my local fiat garage informed me that a replacement would be nearly £500!!! (fitted about £350 for the part) I could not afford this so I located a number of replacements on salvage websites ranging from £52 incl postage to about £80. I removed mine, fiddly but you can do it in under 15mins and fitted the 2nd hand one which worked straight away. ( There is only one plug/connector in the back of the instrument cluster) The car passed the mot with the new instrument cluster. One thing you will have to do if you want to resell you car is get the instrument 'proxy alligned' so the instrument cluster will display the correct milage for your car as a 2nd hand dash will display its original cars milage. I hope this helps.

Carl

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HornetUK said:

andreist31 thanks for all of the advice, so upon plugging a new one in the speedo won't even work, fuel gauge etc? But it will only take 5 mins for a Fiat examiner owner to sort?

Mid Wales is a bit far from me in Bedfordshire, thanks very much for the offer though.

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Speedo works apart from trip computer, speed limit beeper, all the unit measurements (miles/km, C/F), and a few more. you can't set the time/date as well, and the mileage will constantly flash. But the car is drivable, all the "manual" instruments work on it, speedometer, rpm, fuel and temperature, as well as failure messages/lights.

Yes, it is literally 5 mins, as the proxy alignment is done fairly fast (a few clicks).

Well just in case you find yourself driving to wales remember I have an ELM cable and FES.

A

PS: proxy alignment doesn't sort the mileage, that is done separately (from the same software), but sorts the flashing of the odometer.