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Old 22-09-2010   #1
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Exclamation Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Franklin Tools(www.franklin-tools.co.uk) manufacture "Bush Replacment Tools" for most makes of cars so I enquired about one for the Stilo and this was their reply.

"Thank you for your enquiry. Regret unable to assist - no other reports of problems with this vehicle - probably due to low U.K. sales volumes"

"No other reports of problems with this vehicle"

Every Stilo in the country eventually has this problem.

I think we all need to let them know there is a problem, a very common problem, that plenty of us would be interested in solving by purchasing their product if they made one. I'm sure most service stations would be interested to?
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Hi,

Ahh the old bush problem again.
The trouble is with these damn rear bushes the only way to do them with any success is to use decent gear like the one from klann tools.
I have made an extraction tool which i will be trialling in the next couple of weeks. Now it is not a light hearted approach , i will be using a 20ton bolt pull ram to extract said bushes
The problem is to manufacture something to do these bushes with ease and make it cheaply well errrrrrrrrr i cannot see how you could
Anyway i shall let you know how i get on with the bushes and if you want to borrow the kit Stu just let me know

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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Quote Originally Posted by keviwal View Post
and if you want to borrow the kit Stu just let me know
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A friend of mine works for Rolls Royce. Strangely he's also called Kevin and his surname begins with W.
He has access to a serious work shop and has made things/tools for me before.
I found a thread on here about the bush problem and saw your post about making your own.
I saved the photo's from the thread and plan to call my friend tonight to see if he can machine the bushes to reduce the interference fit and make me a Bush Replacement Tool similar to the ones Franklin Tools sell.

Made from a hight grade stainless steel by a Rolls Royce engineer should provide me with "a good bit of kit" that hopefully will allow me to replace the bushes in situ.

Mean while if you've finished yours and don't mind me borrowing it, how does the middle of next week sound?
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Have to do my rear bushes soon, so I've been investigating the process again.

Successive part number changes for the bush show that the latest part number, 51840600, for the Stilo bush is the same as used in some New Bravos and the Grande Punto.

The Stilo eLEARN manual has no mention of replacing the bushes because when it was published, the bushes were not available separately. The only option then was to replace the whole axle.

However, the Grande Punto eLEARN shows the procedure for replacing the bushes and shows a Fiat special tool to do it with, consisting of items 1a in the first diagram and 1b in the third diagram.

Part number for the tool is 2000007800 priced at 13.79. Considering Fiat special tool are usually very expensive, I ordered it, thinking at least some of the bits may be useful for fitting the Stilo bushes, even if only the three pronged press piece that's needed. Collected it from local dealer today, it looks nothing like the tool in the diagram and as far as I can see, is completely useless.

Both the hollow cylinder and the ring have rebates machined around one inner end and the three parts will fit together in the rebates as in the second photo but what it's for is anyones guess. Not even a hole in the cup for a bolt to go through.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

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Both the hollow cylinder and the ring have rebates machined around one inner end and the three parts will fit together in the rebates as in the second photo but what it's for is anyones guess. Not even a hole in the cup for a bolt to go through.

Those parts look to me like they are for use with a press/hydraulic tool. Is it possible they make 2 types, one for putting the bushes in using a press/hydraulic and another for use with a threaded tool as in the drawings.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

The tool I have is the same part number as in the fitting diagrams. The part number is stamped on each of the parts. There could be a hydraulic tool aswell of course but there's no mention of it in any of the eLEARN manuals.

If you take the metal plate off the bush, then the hollow cylinder fits perfectly around the outside of the rubber castellations on the end of the bush. But then the pressing force would be applied to the outer edge of the thin metal flange of the bush. I think the force needs to be applied further towards the middle of the bush through the three cut-outs in the metal plate by using the three pronged press piece.
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I think the force needs to be applied further towards the middle of the bush through the three cut-outs in the metal plate by using the three pronged press piece.
I have to agree with you the amount of force required would surely damage the thin outer edge. A 3 pronged tool seems to be the only way.

These tools are designed for use on the new Grand Punto, but as the rear bush setup is very similar to that of the Stilo I don't see them being much use for the Grand Punto either.

Time for us all to give Franklin Tools a call I think.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Klann tools make them specifically for Stilo rear bushes but you'd need a hydaulic ram and pump

http://www.klanntools.co.uk/products.html

Look near the bottom end of this pdf file
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

I doubt Franklin will be interested, as they said before "low UK sales volumes" and the Stilo now out of production means it won't be a large enough market for them.

The Klann tool looks the best bet but someone said in a previous thread that they wouldn't give a price for it.

I phoned them today for a price for just the insertion and extraction press pieces (save me making the 3 pronged piece) woman said she would phone back with a price but hasn't yet.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Davren,

Klann tools are a total joke.
I have phoned them several times and i,m still waiting for a reply, i have given up on them please dont hold your breath waiting for a reply , you may just turn blue !!!!!!!!!!
If you do get a price i would love to know how much

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I doubt Franklin will be interested, as they said before "low UK sales volumes" and the Stilo now out of production means it won't be a large enough market for them.


They actually said:

No other reports of problems with this vehicle - probably due to low U.K. sales volumes.

So they've had no reports of problems from other people except myself. Their guess "low UK sales" is wrong because its only recently that Fiat have started selling the bushes so of course they have had no other requests for this tool?

If more of us asked them I'm sure they'd atleast consider it. I'm sure they could and would ship the tool world wide to the hundreds of thousands of Stilo owners/repair shops. Just my 2 cents of course.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

I've contacted Klann tools in France and Germany (so see if they are bit better with responses to enquiries than the UK franchise) as that's a purpose made tool for Stilos rear suspension. The video makes it look easy but then most videos do

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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

i second that with klann, ive also contacted them a number of times and never recieved a reply, i was willing to purchase the whole kit from them as we have two multiwagons and im sure others in my area would have benifitted from the tool,
oh well, let us know how you get on decks.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

Klan tools do seem to be a bit of a joke. Lots of enquiries about the tool but still no joy. They can't even be bothered to call anyone back forcing potential buyers to contact other outlets abroad. With that sort of customer service I'd rather build my own(keviwal)

For the likes of me and every other "average Joe" the much simpler and cheaper threaded type that Franklin Tools produce would be a much better idea IMO. Most people will probabely only ever replace their rear bushes once or twice in their lifetime, a hydraulic tool is just far too expensive, may as well replace the axle.
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Re: Franklin Tools & Stilo Rear Bushes.

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I phoned them today for a price for just the insertion and extraction press pieces (save me making the 3 pronged piece) woman said she would phone back with a price but hasn't yet.
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Well, surprise, surprise, I got a phone call from the woman at Klann UK today ..................


To say that she hadn't had a reply from Klann Germany yet.

So much for the famed German efficiency.
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