Technical Suspension spring fracture investigation

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Technical Suspension spring fracture investigation

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OK have a look at the pictures and you can form your own conclusions.

This is a rarity as all pictures on the forum so far have been of broken springs. This is the first chance to have a close look at a used spring BEFORE it breaks. For reference, my springs were 5 years old on a 2002 Stilo 1.6 with 56K miles

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This is a new spring alongside an old one. Not much difference between the two. In fact the old spring is in extremely good general condition. The springs come with a 1mm thick polyplastic protective coating and this is almost completely intact on the old spring. No sign of general corrosion or damage at all, some scuffs on the plastic coating but nothing penetrating the outer case. You can also see there’s no sign of sag on the old spring either as it is the same unloaded length as the new one. So at this point the spring looks almost as good as new and I begin to wonder why I’m even changing it.

Then looking at the base of the spring it becomes obvious.
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There is wear right through the outer casing at this point and heavy, pitted corrosion has already started into the spring. Now this outer plastic coating is tough stuff. Even scuff marks from spring compressors come nowhere near breaking through. The wear point shows the signs of continued grinding wear rather than a cut or badly applied plastic protective coating

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So pinpointing where the damage is, I’ve drawn a line here from the end of the spring and we can say that the wear is between 180 and 270 degrees from the end of the spring and on the first coil from the base. From pictures of other owner’s broken springs that’s where their fracture takes place too.
spring snap 3.jpg

So what is causing it to wear through the protective coating at that point?

To see that we have to check where this point is whilst the spring is in its normal laden state and the car is on the ground. No good jacking it up and taking a look with the wheel off. Here is a picture in the passenger wheel arch with car on the ground

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The base end of the spring fits against a stop on the strut so the spring is fixed and not free to rotate at the bottom so the position of the end of the spring is fixed and therefore the wear point will also always be in the same relative place. That puts the wear point about here in this picture. As you can see, there’s nothing there to cause wear like the proximity of other components so it’s not a clearance problem and bear in mind all the wear is on the underside of the spring. The wear point is just where the spring is making the lightest contact with the lower spring cup

So what’s it all about?
Well here it is. The spring is like a helter skelter fairground ride for rain and dirt. Study the first picture and see where the dirt and mud collects. On the old spring all the dirt was on the underside of the spring coils all the way down the spring, getting progressively thicker nearer the bottom of the spring. So the base of the spring, where it meets the lower spring retainer, is a dumping ground for all road dirt and grit which simply runs down the underside of the spring. Now as you go over bumps the spring compresses onto the lower cup and crushes the grit and mud there with considerable force to the plastic spring coating at that point and it simply wears through. Once the outer plastic cover is gone then there’s nothing to stop corrosion taking place at a very fast rate to the spring. Nothing worse than mud and damp being applied to bare steel and spring steel corrodes even faster than mild steel

So, in my opinion, the thing that’s grinding the outer casing away is quite simply road dirt in the base cup. I would say there appears to be nothing wrong with the manufacture of the spring or its protective case, it’s not sagging even after 5 years and looks generally as good as new. The only damage is at that one point and it is damage rather than a fault at manufacture

PREVENTION IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN CURE
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Here's a snapped spring
Once the outer plastic case has worn through then it’s a time bomb and covering the area up will only make it corrode faster. If you have a newer model or you can catch it in time before the outer casing breaks through then a simple remedy might be to get into that area between the spring and the lower cup and clear it right out of grit and mud, then attach some simple tie wraps or something similar around the spring near the base but on the wider spring section so that water and mud running down the spring simply drops outside of the lower cup and not into it. Simple eh? Your lives could be saved for the cost of a few tie wraps. Beware if you’re keen on pressure washing your suspension frequently in that area as that just accelerates the dumping of grit in the same place

For those of you who have had the spring catcher mod already fitted it could be difficult now to gain access to check the problem area and I’ve no idea whether part of the mod was to inspect specifically this area and advise or change springs where appropriate. Once the spring protective cover is gone then the fuse is lit in my opinion and there’s nothing you can do but change the spring and do your best to make sure it doesn’t happen again
 
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decks, you are truly amazing. you have put a lot of time and effort and knowledge into this section of the forum, and you have immensely helped probably all of us at one stage or another tackling some of the most awkward of situations.

so heres me saying thank you for the wealth of knowledge you provide us with, without you our stilos would only be as good as a golf, and not better (y)

oh, and on a slightly related note, il probably be fitting the sport kit (stiffer + lower) from lesjofurs or however theyre called, but till then, il have a look at the original springs and do the nesseccary cleaning and prevention steps.
 
Absolutely cracking report there Decks (y)

I'd suggest my old favourite for this:
  1. Give it a good but gentle clean
  2. Coat thickly with Waxoyl (just on bottom of spring & cup)
Strangely enough I’ve always tended to coat this area on most cars I’ve owned as it’s a natural place for road grit to collect. My spring are coming off soon so it will be interesting to see how they’ve faired.

What's rather alarming about this is that your replacement springs are likely to suffer the same fate (although admittedly only after about another 4 years) :(
 
Thanks very much for your comments.:)
Diverting the sludge away from and outside the lower cup before it even gets there has to be the best answer whatever means you use to do that
 
There is already a drain hole on the platform the spring sits on but that gets clogged up very quickly ..and your just half way there with regards the actual cause of the snapping Decks as there IS a more serious reason for the snapping ;) but the covering is one of the reasons given for the failure :) keep searchin (y) :devil:
 
Wrapping some rubber heat-shrink tube around the bottom coil has in my experience helped prevent this issue on other cars.

On my previous cars there has always been a rubber tube wrapped around the bottom and top of the springs

Will after market springs suffer the same fate?
 
On my previous cars there has always been a rubber tube wrapped around the bottom and top of the springs

Will after market springs suffer the same fate?

You will be ok with after market ones mate (y) just get the better make and not the cheaper ones go for the eibachs you wont get a getter spring than them :)
 
Excellent analysis Decks, great work which I'm sure will be widely appreciated by the FF! While you were posting this I was waiting for the bus to pick up my Stilo from having the recall work done. Guess I'll be skinning my knuckles trying to get tie-wraps on my springs then... :)
 
Will after market springs suffer the same fate?
From what Deckchair has found it would seem there isn't too much wrong with the original OEM springs as long as you can keep the corrosion at bay :)

Since after-market springs are invariably used to make the suspension stiffer then I'd guess they flex less which would make them less prone to damage.

Would really need someone to remove a set of after-market springs which had been in use for say 5 years for a definitive answer and of course the results would likely be different amongst manufacturers anyway.
 
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From what Deckchair has found it would seem there isn't too much wrong with the original OEM springs as long as you can keep the corrosion at bay :)

Sorry guys but this isn't the full story and isn't the contributing factor to the snapping springs saga ..I cant disclose the reason as I promised Bombay I wouldn't but the fact is if Fiat read this post then they would know how to counter act against Bombays claim against them ..what he has found is paramount to the case against them and as I have already said the Major contributing factor for the springs snapping the coating its self IS inadequate and is only 200microns thick which is very pathetic when you actually realise how thick 200 microns is and I dont think he would mind me telling you that ..the corrosion aspect is a factor yes and it then affects the shot peening of the spring ..yes decks fiat did it as well the shot peening :) but I will say this for the final time its one other factor that is a major player here ,,which I will let Bombay disclose if and when he returns (y)
 
From what Deckchair has found it would seem there isn't too much wrong with the original OEM springs as long as you can keep the corrosion at bay :)

Since after-market springs are invariably used to make the suspension stiffer then I'd guess they flex less which would make them less prone to damage.

Would really need someone to remove a set of after-market springs which had been in use for say 5 years for a definitive answer and of course the results would likely be different amongst manufacturers anyway.

My problem would be keeping the corrosion at bay. I don't want to be under the car cleaning the springs.

My stilo is a 2006 Prestigio would I have trouble with them?

Even if this isn't the main reason why they snapping it is a cause for concern
 
My problem would be keeping the corrosion at bay. I don't want to be under the car cleaning the springs.

My stilo is a 2006 Prestigio would I have trouble with them?

Even if this isn't the main reason why they snapping it is a cause for concern
Gaz, I don't think you need worry too much before 2010 (assuming your Stilo is a genuine 2006 model)

In your position I think I'd just give the bottom strut cups a good clean & lube once a year (as in my post #4). As your car gets older you'll also want the spring catcher fitted (just in case).

Of course, purely for handling issues, you might want to change the springs anyway :)
 
My problem would be keeping the corrosion at bay. I don't want to be under the car cleaning the springs.

My stilo is a 2006 Prestigio would I have trouble with them?

Even if this isn't the main reason why they snapping it is a cause for concern

Well Bombay has had three go in 4 years so I personally dont think anyone is exempt from spring breakage ..and to my way of thinking it seems to be more a lottery regardless of the age of your stilo ..My advise to you would be as soon as you can afford the performance springs get them changed your abarth will corner better and handling allround will improve substantially and you can rest at night knowing that you wont have the issues and frustrations of broken spring syndrome (y)
 
We had a poll recently which, if I remember rightly, didn't show any failures under 3 years.

Mind you if you made a habit of driving on freshly resurfaced roads (with plenty of loose chippings) then I suppose that might accelerate things a bit. ;)
 
Decks, may I thankyou for that contribution - it truely is excellent (might be putting this into the new FAQ section :)).

However, can I draw your attention to Decks point - the problem is caused by corrosion. How it starts has been shown, but the actual snapping is caused by corrosion.

Did I not hear FIAT say this somewhere in their recall letter?? . . .

And as Argo says, mine are also coming off soon - I'm getting Stilo '07 suspension fitted, the bottom cup is now different so hopefully this problem won't be an issue.
 
Corrosion IS a contributing factor YES but not the main contributing cause as there is a serious fault with the springs young richard :rolleyes: I am NOT saying this for the benefit of my health :bang: hopfully this wont occure on the new springs as I am very much hoping that they are not manufactured the same way as the fiat one
 
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