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Hi peeps, I was under the car yesterday, and found the gearbox dipstick(as alex GS described in an earlier thread) and was very surprised at how clean the oil was inside the box.
Ir was very clear and smooth to the touch.

I was expecting it to be black and sludgy as the car is a 2002 Abarth selespeed, and was not serviced last year(due to driving only 1500 miles all year), though the engine oil, filters and sperk plugs were changed.

I have a feeling that the clutch is worn out as it shudders at low speed when crawling in second gear.
Can anyone give me any insight into the clutch and if its on the way out.

Thanks
 
You have on the abarth what is called sillyspeed [selespeed] and this basically is an electrically controlled unit called the actuator and its electronically controlled ..these can be reconfigured and reset and I would advise you before you cough up money for a new clutch to get this checked out and although the selespeed fluid may seem clean get it changed as well :)
 
I doubt the clutch would be worn, how many miles has it done?

the selespeed is easier on the clutch than a manual so should last longer, as Phil said FIAT can reconfigure the actuator which should sort it, if not then you'll probably need a new actuator.
 
Thanks for the replys.

The car has done 34k, and the selespeed was reset last winter and it felt good for a couple of months. It has now returned to its jerky/juddery change, I was told that the selespeed hydraulics will wear out the clutch quicker than a normal one, so the clucth specialist said it prob does need changing along with the actuator and fluids.

Im in two minds wether to splash the cash on it or trade it in for something else as I will only get around 3.5 - 4k for it.
I would hate to see it go, the 5 cylinder engine is a thrill every time I drive it.
 
The dipstick is about in line with the air filter but about a foot back on top of the gearbox. You will have to get right underneath the car, and it will help if you take the undertray off.

I think alexGS had a diagram of the gearbox from the eper site which shows exactly where it is.
 
KK1 said:
The dipstick is about in line with the air filter but about a foot back on top of the gearbox. You will have to get right underneath the car, and it will help if you take the undertray off.

I think alexGS had a diagram of the gearbox from the eper site which shows exactly where it is.
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Hi KK1,
Well I'm relieved that somebody read my post - now I can go hunting for the dipstick myself, confident that it's there (y)

The post was https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo-technical/99729-selespeed-gearbox-has-dipstick.html?p=1066839

The gearbox oil should be clean - there's no reason for it to get dirty really, unless there's some horrible EP additives in there, which there obviously aren't in your case.

Juddering sounds more like some oil contamination of your clutch to me - I think the same rules apply as for 'standard' clutch arrangements.

I notice that the Selespeed slips the clutch a lot when reversing (with the engine cold), keeps the revs over 2000 with the car barely moving, I think that must wear the clutch more than I would if 'I' was driving ;)

I think if I was in your position, I'd keep driving and wait for it to get better/worse before spending money. What is it like when first moving off?

If it seems to be universally bad at all times (lumpy gearchanges etc), maybe the re-alignment is worth the money to see if it effects a repair. But if it judders most when moving off, then I agree with the shop that suggested a new clutch was required. Mind you, I'm a bit new to this idea of a computer-controlled clutch, so you'll want to take my advice with a generous pinch of something.

-Alex
 
alexGS said:
Hi KK1,
Well I'm relieved that somebody read my post - now I can go hunting for the dipstick myself, confident that it's there (y)

The post was https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo-technical/99729-selespeed-gearbox-has-dipstick.html?p=1066839

The gearbox oil should be clean - there's no reason for it to get dirty really, unless there's some horrible EP additives in there, which there obviously aren't in your case.

Juddering sounds more like some oil contamination of your clutch to me - I think the same rules apply as for 'standard' clutch arrangements.

I notice that the Selespeed slips the clutch a lot when reversing (with the engine cold), keeps the revs over 2000 with the car barely moving, I think that must wear the clutch more than I would if 'I' was driving ;)

I think if I was in your position, I'd keep driving and wait for it to get better/worse before spending money. What is it like when first moving off?

If it seems to be universally bad at all times (lumpy gearchanges etc), maybe the re-alignment is worth the money to see if it effects a repair. But if it judders most when moving off, then I agree with the shop that suggested a new clutch was required. Mind you, I'm a bit new to this idea of a computer-controlled clutch, so you'll want to take my advice with a generous pinch of something.

-Alex
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Thanks for the reply.

The car is awful when first moving off, jerky and juddery, horrible gear changes. Then its ok once warmed up but when it has been on for a while the juddering starts especially when crawling in second gear.
It actually bunny hops(and yes I have changed the coils and plugs)at low speed.
I would really like to find a sloution to the cold start and clutch problem, but is it worth spending the money?

I am becoming more and more concerned as it seems worse every time I drive it, I think it might be time for the stilo to go.(sad to say)
 
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