Thinking about this - we're going to keep hitting this issue.

Renaming a forum is actually a *massive* deal, as all the Google links will then be wrong and it will take a couple of weeks to right itself (during which time, the forum will be dropped).

I'm thinking to start using slugs instead - in that, the forum name can be different to the URL. And in the future, we change the forum name, it doesn't matter - as the links won't change.

The thing is though, we know what the mk1 mk2 and mk2b - BUT - what is a mk3, is that a Grande? So a mk4 is an Evo, with a mk5 being this years? Or is an Evo a different name, so not a mk - which makes the 2012 a mk4??

Ok, see the post I just put in the Panda section about this issue - https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/294500-new-panda-section-poll-yes-no-2.html?p=2991115

So no need to change the current punto url (very good, as it's massively linked in google).
Leave the Grande as it is.
Then then Punto Evo and new Punto 2012 become "/punto-g3" (as the 2012 is just a facelift of the evo?)

Hmm, apparently the new one is a Gen 6!!

G1 = mk1
G2 = mk2, mk3
G3 = Grande
G4 = ???
G5 = Evo??
G6 = 2012

Grande had S1 and S2
No idea what the differences were though!

Seems to depend on which site you read - I've got others listing the latest one as the g5 - which does tally everything up properly at least...

The point I was trying to originally make is that the confusion comes from people constantly posting in the 'punto' section when they have a 'grande punto' basically they see punto and post there

The new model is basically an evo so in all fairness they belong together, but that means you'll have 3 punto sections one of which is steperated from the others (hence the confusion) what happens in the future when the current punto style comes to an end and fiat launch a completly new model? Is there then a 4th punto section?

The model list is pretty long as it is it can't help to keep adding to it but would be beneficial to try an reduce it now rather than in the future.

At the very least the forum software must allow you to reorder the forums so that grande appears beside the others in the list?

The more forums the more confusion and the more moderation required.

It's always better to be proactive about things which could become potentially huge problems in the future

AndyRKett said:

The point I was trying to originally make is that the confusion comes from people constantly posting in the 'punto' section when they have a 'grande punto' basically they see punto and post there

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I don't think that's such a big problem, at least not one the mod team have been alerted about before.

But yes, if a new Punto is released, then a MK6 or whatever forum would be made. The model list length doesn't really matter - we have as many forums as there are models ....

ben said:

I don't think that's such a big problem, at least not one the mod team have been alerted about before.

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really

dave said:

really

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Yup

i seem to remember moving loads

ben said:

Hmm, apparently the new one is a Gen 6!!

G1 = mk1
G2 = mk2, mk3
G3 = Grande
G4 = ???
G5 = Evo??
G6 = 2012

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Would have thought the Grande was Gen 4 and the 2B was Gen 3 with it still been a production model. The classic Punto is essentially the MK3 with the Grande been Mk4

Nah, the Grande is definitely the G3 - I can find enough press releases about that The 2b was just a facelift of a 2.

FIAT press releases also confirm the Evo is the successor to the GP - making it a 4 - and the 2012 is next, so it has to be a 5.

Actually for what I'm trying to acheive at the moment, this doesn't matter too much - nothing else needs to be renamed - and if we find this elusive g5 in the future, it's just one mis-named url

Punto /punto (mk1, mk2, mk2b)
Grande Punto /grande-punto (mk3)
Punto Evo /punto-evo (mk4)
Punto 2012 /punto-v (mk5)

Next year, when the 2012 is established - we can rename it to just "Punto" and the Punto forum will become the Punto (Classic)

In the mean time everyone with a grande can continue to post in the wrong section, seeing as grande is no where near the other punto forums !?

AndyRKett said:

In the mean time everyone with a grande can continue to post in the wrong section, seeing as grande is no where near the other punto forums !?

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And mods can continue to move the threads as long as someone tells them it's in the wrong place.

AndyRKett said:

In the mean time everyone with a grande can continue to post in the wrong section, seeing as grande is no where near the other punto forums !?

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But a Grande begins with G - which people will see before P.

It used to be the other way around (Punto Grande) - but everyone complained they couldn't find it! 11k threads can't be too wrong...

Also updated the forum descriptions with the MK numbers, so it's a bit more obvious

If the forums were all together it wouldn't be as much of an issue

It's not called a Punto Grande though, it's called a Grande Punto. You're name isn't Kett Andy, it's Andy Kett.

It is of the punto family!

People seem to continuously scroll down list to punto see 1993 - present and post in that forum as the only other (visible) option (when scrolled to that part of the page) is evo

That what follows is "my 2007 punto doesn't work" generally followed by a "try posting in the right section then!!!!" inevitably they don't eventually the post gets moved but the new member has had a bad experience and doesn't come back

They are all fiat puntos in one way or another and if it was a stupid idea to put all the forums together in the listings then I would drop it but it really isn't a stupid idea! It would make the forum look neater and not like everything is just thown in at the will of the forum software as previously stated you should be able to reorder without renaming PhpBB was able to do this 8 years ago!

I really can't see why it's such a crap idea

Ok, just to shut you up ( ) - I've done what we do with the Scudo, and made a redirect forum - so it now appears in the list where you want it, but just redirects to the normal Grande forum

Is that why Grande Punto has now disapeared

and how come we have 2 Punto Grande forums. ones empty and one has the original posts in