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fixitagaintomorrow said:
Boo and Clubcento are much smaller in comparison to most other owner's clubs, there isn't the support to copy what Ford and Vauxhall owner's do.

Say we have a FF stand at next year's Donny show and we get 15 cars from her attending. Say for some reason Boo and Clubcento don't have a stand that year but plan to the year after.

So, the year after, will the FF stand go ahead due to the support it had previously, even with Boo and Clubcento there?
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i think i have missed your point :eek:

ok so FF clubcento and Boo are at an event, i thought it was limited to have many cars you can have on a stand?

again surely this is a choice for the individual :confused:
 
fixitagaintomorrow said:
My problem with this idea is that it will kill the owners clubs.

I'm all for the Fiat Forum, God knows I spend enough time on here and attend the events etc. but look at who has supported this place and made it what it is - members of Clubcento, Boo and others.

Yes, people have the choice to attend whichever event under whichever club/forum they wish, but if you talk to the individual owner's club officials you will see that they quite often struggle to get a good attendance at shows.

Fine, you say - let's get them all together on one stand and it'll be massive.
Under the FF banner then?
Or under Boo?
Under Clubcento?

Why would people then choose to join their respective owner's club if they see they can get their car on a stand, get into events etc. and have all the benefits associated with club memberships... without paying a penny.

Take me for example, I'm an officer of Clubcento. Say at Donny next year there is a Clubcento stand and a Fiat Forum stand. I know and am good friends with many of you on here, but am a member too of Clubcento. Which stand do I choose?

One argument put forward has been "People should stick with their owner's club" - so does that mean if someone is a member of Clubcento they can't have their car on the FF stand? As has been mentioned, you can't tell anyone which they can and cannot attend with.

Say someone has a Mk2 Punto, a Coupe, a Bravo or whatever but they aren't a member of the owner's club. Are they then welcome on the FF stand? Even though the respective owner's club attends as well?

Say they do attend, but sit on the FF stand. There we go, a public display that you don't need to support the owner's club.

I think the main problem here is the specific Fiat nature of this. There are many other clubs attending shows such as cruise clubs etc - but they're not brand specific so aren't in direct competition quite so much. Cruise clubs etc. seem to be local groups whereas we're national, so the conflict doesn't really come into it there.
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again this isnt really an issue, FF promotes other fiat clubs anyway, cento and boo probably get a high number of members from this forum.

i thought we would want to promote the forum anyway, from what your saying Most of the club members join clubs to be on a stand :confused: i very much doubt it.

Like i KEEP saying clubs offer a lot more, its a banner for events that people who are not members of clubs might choose to go under.

Your saying you what would you do because your member of both why not shove your car on clubcento and come over and visit the FF stand?
 
fixitagaintomorrow said:
My problem with this idea is that it will kill the owners clubs.

I'm all for the Fiat Forum, God knows I spend enough time on here and attend the events etc. but look at who has supported this place and made it what it is - members of Clubcento, Boo and others.

Fair comment

Yes, people have the choice to attend whichever event under whichever club/forum they wish, but if you talk to the individual owner's club officials you will see that they quite often struggle to get a good attendance at shows.

So even without FF you struggle to make a show? How would FF attending make a difference even if none of the club cars were not on FF stand you struggle.


Fine, you say - let's get them all together on one stand and it'll be massive.
Under the FF banner then?
Or under Boo?
Under Clubcento?

No need to have just one stand.

Why would people then choose to join their respective owner's club if they see they can get their car on a stand, get into events etc. and have all the benefits associated with club memberships... without paying a penny.

Would need to be discussed and agreed, but all forums I belong to use paid up members (donators) for shows. Have not been on any forum/club where shows/events are free.

Take me for example, I'm an officer of Clubcento. Say at Donny next year there is a Clubcento stand and a Fiat Forum stand. I know and am good friends with many of you on here, but am a member too of Clubcento. Which stand do I choose?

Hard choice, but I think your arguements show you would have to support CC which I would expect

One argument put forward has been "People should stick with their owner's club" - so does that mean if someone is a member of Clubcento they can't have their car on the FF stand? As has been mentioned, you can't tell anyone which they can and cannot attend with.

No. What happens if CC has only say 5 stand places at a show but 6 cars available FF could need 1 car to fill space surly having the car on show even with FF is the best option.

Say someone has a Mk2 Punto, a Coupe, a Bravo or whatever but they aren't a member of the owner's club. Are they then welcome on the FF stand? Even though the respective owner's club attends as well?

Yes, why not

Say they do attend, but sit on the FF stand. There we go, a public display that you don't need to support the owner's club.

Who would know what car anyone owned?

I think the main problem here is the specific Fiat nature of this. There are many other clubs attending shows such as cruise clubs etc - but they're not brand specific so aren't in direct competition quite so much. Cruise clubs etc. seem to be local groups whereas we're national, so the conflict doesn't really come into it there.

Corsa's 3 I know of

Punto's 3 or more
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I think the biggest problem for Fiats is the small attendance at shows not that there are to many.


Steve
 
I think FF supports other owners clubs. I bet many peeps are in the same sitution as me and would not have found or been encouraged to join an owners club such as Clubcento unless they found the forum. I have read through completely and I can't see the problem myself. Personally I think the forum is completely different to an owners club. The forum is a great website I go on to socialise with likeminded people, a technical resource and a good place to view other cars. Clubcento to me is mainly a brand specific club which I am in for discounts, technical support and as a carrier for going to events on a very rare occasion. I have a very busy lifestyle. I am currently in my 2nd year of Clubcento membership and haven't been to one event with the club. A lot of people in the same situation as me who have a very busy lifestyle and are not available on weekends may see this as a waste of money and would therefore not join. The forum is different. To be part of the community involves no time or financial commitment. Both aim at totally different target audiances so there is no competition between the forum and car clubs really.

I support the idea for the banner but this does not mean in any way I am not loyal to Clubcento. I just support both organisations as they satisfy and don't conflict in any way, but more often that not, integrate my interests and lifestyle.

P.S. Sorry if I have written gobbldygook at any point or worded things in a negative way. If I have, it is not intentional. I am in a rush and have not proof read it.
 
PandaPerson said:
Gaz why would we u've been the most reasonable non clicque un biasesd understanding club member i have seen since this thread was started
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what makes you think that i'm being unreasonable? I understand exactly what you're gettin at and it is a good idea in theory. However, I know exactly what and impact this will make on club membership for Clubcento. Yes Centos aren't the only cars on the forum but at the same time, there are many people that will avoid membership if there is the option to put their car on the forum stand. And lets face it, not many members contribute towards forum funds
 
As far as I am concerned it is a personal preference with what people want. Some people are not interested in either, some one, some both. I think people should be given a choice, therefore made aware of all options available to them. If the FF banner does not exist, people who would like this sort of thing but not car clubs which require a lot more commitment to get out of it what they want may think there is no suitable alternative to express and share their enthusiasm.
You can't be on the forum for long before you notice the presnce of the car clubs for long surely. For example, I have a link to Clubcento in my signature! lol. I think the forum supports the clubs very well and the clubs may not be as popular without it. I certainly wouldn't have been aware of Clubcento otherwise. I'm sure many othe Clubcento and BOO members are in the same position.

Cheers for the support Paul and PandaPerson.

I'm not going to post on this thread now because I don't want to lose friends on here who have a different POV as I can see this is getting very heated. I just want to enjoy myself.
 
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well its simple if there is a cento stand etc im sure most ppl would say support club n use other cars on the FF 1 but at same time if there was not a cento etc stand then use the FF if any new cento ppl came etc wanting advice of course we'd direct them to club for more indepth advice etc

it can easily work peacefully and in theory alongside clubs if ppl let it
 
please remember ben needs to be consulted before any decision is made

we can argue about it all day long, but final decision will be down to ben

have to say its made a boring bank holiday eventful

stuff like this needs a lot of organising, if the you do get the go ahead it will need an events co-ord who will oversee everything, lots of running around will be done and lots of let downs will happen :(
 
smurfhead said:
You can't be on the forum for long before you notice the presnce of the car clubs for long surely. For example, I have a link to Clubcento in my signature! lol. I think the forum supports the clubs very well and the clubs may not be as popular without it. I certainly wouldn't have been aware of Clubcento otherwise. I'm sure many othe Clubcento and BOO members are in the same position.
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Well Said Gaz FF is Happy to Support the Clubs and Promote them so how about little give and Take Whats wrong With Promoting Forum that is Quite happy to promote clubs n joining them

we may get some1 coming up new to Fiat we can talk to them about the while range n if they like cento's would advise them to go talk to club etc
 
One final note from me before I eat. I can see this is getting very heated and causing a divide. I think if the banner does happen or does not happen we should remember that we are a community on here and this topic should not split us or break existing friendships on here over this topic. It is not worth it. I just don't want to sign in tomorrow and this has blown way out of proportion:( . If somebody has a different opinion, big deal. Lets not argue about it.

HAPPY POSTING!!!(y)
 
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