Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?
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Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?
Ah, you're back then. You stick your nose in and start all this debate and then just disappear without a bye your leave. Your never phone, you never write. Your poor Mother's been frantic. Er, where was I? Oh yes, it's possible that bio-fuels will provide the most divisive topic in poitics and business for years, and I don't just mean on the Forum. It's going to affect all of us in one way or another in the not too distant future, so I agree the subject needs to be somewhere where comments can be posted in one place and not scatteredVoted
all over shop. Whether it does merit its own section I'm not sure but I don't know enough about these matters to make a suggestion in that regard but I think it's too important a subject to leave it spread across all the different sections. Hello? Where's everybody gone?
Strangely enough I pointed a man with a Multipla at FF to look at biodiesel threads at a biodiesel fuelling station the other day
Subsection of LTF for example?
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Strangely enough I pointed a man with a Multipla at FF to look at biodiesel threads at a biodiesel fuelling station the other day
Sounds good. If it does pick up speed and become popular, then move it to it's own section?
I love sparking debate
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http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2008/02/12/the-last-straw/
for those that cant be bothered to read it......
"It sounds good, but there are three problems. If biofuels can’t be produced in virgin habitats, they must be confined to existing agricultural land, which means that every time we fill up the car we snatch food from people’s mouths. This, in turn, raises the price of food, which encourages farmers to destroy pristine habitats - primary forests, ancient grasslands, wetlands and the rest - in order to grow it. We can congratulate ourselves on remaining morally pure, but the impacts are the same. There is no way out of this: on a finite planet with tight food supplies you either compete with the hungry or clear new land.
The third problem is that the Commission’s methodology has just been blown apart by two new papers. Published in Science magazine, they calculate the total carbon costs of biofuel production(8,9). When land clearance (caused either directly or by the displacement of food crops) is taken into account, all the major biofuels cause a massive increase in emissions"
for those that cant be bothered to read it......
"It sounds good, but there are three problems. If biofuels can’t be produced in virgin habitats, they must be confined to existing agricultural land, which means that every time we fill up the car we snatch food from people’s mouths. This, in turn, raises the price of food, which encourages farmers to destroy pristine habitats - primary forests, ancient grasslands, wetlands and the rest - in order to grow it. We can congratulate ourselves on remaining morally pure, but the impacts are the same. There is no way out of this: on a finite planet with tight food supplies you either compete with the hungry or clear new land.
The third problem is that the Commission’s methodology has just been blown apart by two new papers. Published in Science magazine, they calculate the total carbon costs of biofuel production(8,9). When land clearance (caused either directly or by the displacement of food crops) is taken into account, all the major biofuels cause a massive increase in emissions"
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That is the big debate in biofuels. The fuel itself is green but it still causes harm to the environment. The ultimate aim for someone like me would be to produce fuel from waste, i.e. chip shop oil, prolonging the life of such a product. There is no deforesation or snatching of food in the specific production chain for that kind of use.
mmmmmmmmm chip oil :yum:
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Look, stop arguing about it will you! Unless of course you want a section to discuss it in - if not, get out of the thread
just to add another angle
where would a stilo(or whatever model) driver ask about bio diesel in a stilo?
the biodiesel section or the stilo section?
where would a stilo(or whatever model) driver ask about bio diesel in a stilo?
the biodiesel section or the stilo section?
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biodiesel section
where would (should) someone ask about a satnav to put in a stilo? the satnav section
where would (should) someone ask about a satnav to put in a stilo? the satnav section
Biodiesel is wee i seen it in the gallery :yuck:
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Unless the satnav is Connect Nav+ then I would move it back to the Stilo Technical section.
there are loads of great forums and guides about this subject so we dont really need a section, and if we did have one it would have less info than a fairly crap forum dedicated to this topic.
however it would have an advantage because we would have one place to collect all fiat specific informaiton and experiences. most forums are generic for all car makes so you dont know certain things until you try, for example does your fuel pump have seals that will perish with certain biofuel additives? can your injectors manage svo? these questions can only be answered by experience and experimentations, so it would be good to collect this info to share.
do we really need a new section for it? i dont think so. is there an existing section that would be suitbale for it? i dont think so.
it seems a subsection can be added for anything these days, even photography (aka imaging), so i dont think it would hurt to have a biofuel subsection in 'lets talk fiat'. that seems the best place for it because its generic to all fiats, technical & factual- same as much of the material in 'lets talk fiat'.
it will take time, but eventually that section could grow to the point where there is no need to do further research, which is handy because 80% of members dont seem to realise you can use other websites for research or that google even exists.
however it would have an advantage because we would have one place to collect all fiat specific informaiton and experiences. most forums are generic for all car makes so you dont know certain things until you try, for example does your fuel pump have seals that will perish with certain biofuel additives? can your injectors manage svo? these questions can only be answered by experience and experimentations, so it would be good to collect this info to share.
do we really need a new section for it? i dont think so. is there an existing section that would be suitbale for it? i dont think so.
it seems a subsection can be added for anything these days, even photography (aka imaging), so i dont think it would hurt to have a biofuel subsection in 'lets talk fiat'. that seems the best place for it because its generic to all fiats, technical & factual- same as much of the material in 'lets talk fiat'.
it will take time, but eventually that section could grow to the point where there is no need to do further research, which is handy because 80% of members dont seem to realise you can use other websites for research or that google even exists.
I think it would be a good idea...
...but...
There isn't even enough demand for a specific section to cover all "general motoring" topics (https://www.fiatforum.com/site-ideas/141457-driving-section.html) let alone something like this which is really rather specialist (especially with modern engines). Lots of people seem only to post in the section relative to their car.
...but...
There isn't even enough demand for a specific section to cover all "general motoring" topics (https://www.fiatforum.com/site-ideas/141457-driving-section.html) let alone something like this which is really rather specialist (especially with modern engines). Lots of people seem only to post in the section relative to their car.
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