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Old 06-06-2008   #31
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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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this is not a win lose situation

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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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No I'm not. If people were looking for info on biofuels, looking at FF would be low on their list of sites to visit, unless they were FF members already. There are plenty of websites out there concentrating on biofuels. It is these sorts of websites that will get those most knowledgable on the subject involved - not a biofuels section on a car forum.

Therefore a biofuels section on FF could never hope to compete with a bespoke site on biofuels. I think the saying I'm trying to relate all of this to is 'jack of all trades, master at none'?
So what FIATS can run on pure, diluted or not run at all on Biofuels? I have found the other dedicated sites you refer to never mention FIAT...

Thats my point, it would be something for US FIAT owners and FIAT Forum Members.

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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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So what FIATS can run on pure, diluted or not run at all on Biofuels? I have found the other dedicated sites you refer to never mention FIAT...

Thats my point, it would be something for US FIAT owners and FIAT Forum Members.
That's still hardly worthy of its own section though?
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Re: Who thinks a biofuel section is a good idea

Definitely! As we head towards a grim costly future in general terms of driving and fuel costs, it would be really helpful if the Forum helped FIAT owners understand all the pro's and con's of considering this and how to go about it without causing their cars to suffer.
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That's still hardly worthy of its own section though?
Not much is then by that reckoning.
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Re: Who thinks a biofuel section is a good idea

dont think it warrants its own section tbh
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Re: Who thinks a biofuel section is a good idea

I'm more than up for it. Would be a chance to exchange views, experiences, details on what engines can use it and what can't at what concentrations.

I'm making some of my own as we speak! (thread to follow)
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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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Ah, you're back then. You stick your nose in and start all this debate and then just disappear without a bye your leave. Your never phone, you never write. Your poor Mother's been frantic. Er, where was I? Oh yes, it's possible that bio-fuels will provide the most divisive topic in poitics and business for years, and I don't just mean on the Forum. It's going to affect all of us in one way or another in the not too distant future, so I agree the subject needs to be somewhere where comments can be posted in one place and not scattered
all over shop. Whether it does merit its own section I'm not sure but I don't know enough about these matters to make a suggestion in that regard but I think it's too important a subject to leave it spread across all the different sections. Hello? Where's everybody gone?
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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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No I'm not. If people were looking for info on biofuels, looking at FF would be low on their list of sites to visit, unless they were FF members already. There are plenty of websites out there concentrating on biofuels. It is these sorts of websites that will get those most knowledgable on the subject involved - not a biofuels section on a car forum.

Therefore a biofuels section on FF could never hope to compete with a bespoke site on biofuels. I think the saying I'm trying to relate all of this to is 'jack of all trades, master at none'?
Strangely enough I pointed a man with a Multipla at FF to look at biodiesel threads at a biodiesel fuelling station the other day Subsection of LTF for example?
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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

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Strangely enough I pointed a man with a Multipla at FF to look at biodiesel threads at a biodiesel fuelling station the other day Subsection of LTF for example?
Sounds good. If it does pick up speed and become popular, then move it to it's own section?

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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2008...he-last-straw/

for those that cant be bothered to read it......

"It sounds good, but there are three problems. If biofuels canít be produced in virgin habitats, they must be confined to existing agricultural land, which means that every time we fill up the car we snatch food from peopleís mouths. This, in turn, raises the price of food, which encourages farmers to destroy pristine habitats - primary forests, ancient grasslands, wetlands and the rest - in order to grow it. We can congratulate ourselves on remaining morally pure, but the impacts are the same. There is no way out of this: on a finite planet with tight food supplies you either compete with the hungry or clear new land.

The third problem is that the Commissionís methodology has just been blown apart by two new papers. Published in Science magazine, they calculate the total carbon costs of biofuel production(8,9). When land clearance (caused either directly or by the displacement of food crops) is taken into account, all the major biofuels cause a massive increase in emissions"
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Re: Biodiesel/Bioethanol section?

That is the big debate in biofuels. The fuel itself is green but it still causes harm to the environment. The ultimate aim for someone like me would be to produce fuel from waste, i.e. chip shop oil, prolonging the life of such a product. There is no deforesation or snatching of food in the specific production chain for that kind of use.
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