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Old 26-08-2009   #31
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Re: Ritmo Abarth Convertible Renovation

Quote Originally Posted by 20vturbo View Post
those are fiats !!!

its not that hard to understand really.

try and get some facts right in your posts



that ^ is a real abarth, and it just happens to be mine.
I'm not sure the point of your arguement to be honest. It's a pretty telling point from your sticker that the Abarth is mentioned and comes after the Grande Punto, surely you'd expect the manufacturer to come before the Grande Punto? The sticker just happens to look exactly the same as the one that is stuck on my Bravo, apart from the obvious difference being mine say Bravo instead of Grande Punto Abarth with no mention of Fiat so clearly the stickers are being knocked out by Fiat and really what it's saying is that it a Fiat Grande Punto Abarth

End of the day you are entitled to believe whatever you really want but the simple fact is Abarth as they are still a division of Fiat that take the majority of a Fiat Punto (or 500), slap on a bodykit, chuck on some different wheels, seats, some Brembo brakes etc in the same way that they've always done. In fact the level of upgrades pretty much mirrors the upgrades and modifications made to the last Abarth cars that being the 130TC, it just happened that Fiat at the time positioned Abarth slightly differently in the market place.

Not sure why a 131 Abarth fetches about 30k, about 10x any other 131 is worth when it's clearly just a Fiat according to you?

Anyway perhaps the topic could return to the original discussion which was the mysterious Martini Rimto Abarth. My personal opinion is that this particular car is an owner conversion of a standard Ritmo Cab.
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

Quote Originally Posted by 20vturbo View Post
who is merceders?

amg is not classed as a manufacturer.

but brabus,alpina and abarth are,it surely cannot be that hard to take in?
Merceders?? well german car .. sorry if I lost the Benz in the end

however.. AMG aswell as Alpina and Abarth are using the original manufactured cars from each companies then making high performance cars.

But to call these cars manufacturer is to go abit far, don't you think?
Tell me one model that Alpina or Abarth have made from scratch?

Or should we establish NOT factory buildt cars??

And again.. the Strada/Ritmo was called Fiat Abarth Ritmo/Strada 130TC. So sorry if I didn't get that right.. but as this is a Fiat Forum all here should know??
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

well the german tuv classes abarth,brabus and alpina as seperate manufacturers.

simples.
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

Quote Originally Posted by fiat abarth View Post
The topic starter decieded to claim my Cabrio was NOT an abarth.. Which I haven't claimed it to be.
HOWEVER.. I did say the base of my car, engine, gearbox, suspention ALL of it and more are ALL taken from a 3 door hatch called the Abarth 130TC.
Making it a version of the Abarth with a 2 litre Twin Cam, Double Solex or Weber 40s version as the Ritmo/Strada 130TC all had.

Some info:

Abarth diversified in producing various tuning kits for road vehicles, mainly for Fiat, Abarth also produced high-performance exhaust pipes.

Abarth was sold to Fiat on July 31 1971 and the racing team sold to Enso Osella and Abarth became the racing department of Fiat.

Some models built by Fiat or its subsidiaries Lancia and Autobianchi were co-branded Abarth, the most famous being the Autobianchi A112 Abarth.

Abarth also prepared Fiat Group's rally cars like Fiat 124 Abarth and 131 Abarth.

In the 80s Abarth name was mainly used to mark performance Fiats like Fiat Ritmo Abarth 130 TC.

The name was almost forgotten in 1990s and in 2000s it was used like a trim/model level on FIAT cars, like the FIAT Stilo Abarth.

In 2007 Fiat Automobile relaunched the brand with the Grande Punto Abarth and the Grande Punto Abarth S2000. The brand is to be seen as a separate division to the main Fiat brand in a similar way that the Renault Sport brand is to the mainstream Renault.

So basically.. Abarth DID not make any cars at all.. Abarth only tuned them like AMG does Merceders or Alpina does BMW a.s.o

Actually, Abarth DID make some full-fledged, out and out race cars that are NOT Fiat derivitives...but yes, 98% of Abarths ARE Fiat based..
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

and?

alpina are based on bmw,its still an alpina

brabus are based on mercedes benz ,its still a brabus

abarth are based on fiat,but still an abarth.

what do you not get?

or are you not very bright?
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

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no i think you will find it is an abarth.

as in Abarth Grande Punto
no its a Fiat Grande Punto Abarth
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

and i think you will find you are wrong,try going into a fiat dealer and buying one.

i take it you don't know too much about these things.

btw this is getting kinda boring now.

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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

Quote Originally Posted by 20vturbo View Post
and i think you will find you are wrong,try going into a fiat dealer and buying one.

i take it you don't know too much about these things.

btw this is getting kinda boring now.

Agreed
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Re: Ritmo Abarth Convertible Renovation

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I'm not sure the point of your arguement to be honest. It's a pretty telling point from your sticker that the Abarth is mentioned and comes after the Grande Punto, surely you'd expect the manufacturer to come before the Grande Punto? The sticker just happens to look exactly the same as the one that is stuck on my Bravo, apart from the obvious difference being mine say Bravo instead of Grande Punto Abarth with no mention of Fiat so clearly the stickers are being knocked out by Fiat and really what it's saying is that it a Fiat Grande Punto Abarth

End of the day you are entitled to believe whatever you really want but the simple fact is Abarth as they are still a division of Fiat that take the majority of a Fiat Punto (or 500), slap on a bodykit, chuck on some different wheels, seats, some Brembo brakes etc in the same way that they've always done. In fact the level of upgrades pretty much mirrors the upgrades and modifications made to the last Abarth cars that being the 130TC, it just happened that Fiat at the time positioned Abarth slightly differently in the market place.

Not sure why a 131 Abarth fetches about 30k, about 10x any other 131 is worth when it's clearly just a Fiat according to you?

Anyway perhaps the topic could return to the original discussion which was the mysterious Martini Rimto Abarth. My personal opinion is that this particular car is an owner conversion of a standard Ritmo Cab.


maybe cos the FIAT 131 abarth has a sporting heritage?

btw you can buy a 131 abarth for 15 k about twice what a very good 131 sport or vx would cost.

so are you saying that a dodgy modified 28 year old fiat ritmo is more of an abarth than my brand new abarth bought from the only abarth dealer in the country,that has no fiat badges whatsoever is registered as an abarth,that you cant buy from a fiat dealer,a fiat dealer cannot do any warranty work?

maybe if its a subject you know nothing off you should keep quiet.

i do consider this the end of this conversation.
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

about the abarth argument im pretty sure that abarth didnt make a car under their own name untill the grande punto in 2007 all before this are fiat abarths and fiat do not own abarth anymore but work closely with them still from what the dealers told me when I bought my AGP (not a FGPA)

And on the V5 it says:
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Model: Grande punto Tjet 155
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Re: Ritmo Abarth Convertible Renovation

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maybe cos the FIAT 131 abarth has a sporting heritage?

btw you can buy a 131 abarth for 15 k about twice what a very good 131 sport or vx would cost.

so are you saying that a dodgy modified 28 year old fiat ritmo is more of an abarth than my brand new abarth bought from the only abarth dealer in the country,that has no fiat badges whatsoever is registered as an abarth,that you cant buy from a fiat dealer,a fiat dealer cannot do any warranty work?

maybe if its a subject you know nothing off you should keep quiet.

i do consider this the end of this conversation.
My Ritmo is not "dodgy"

I wouldn't mind having your Abarth Grand Punto at all, but we do not as yet have Fiats or Abarths here in the US. I will buy an Abarth 500 Essesse as soon as they arrive here, but it probably won't be until 2011 or 2012
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about the abarth argument im pretty sure that abarth didnt make a car under their own name untill the grande punto in 2007 all before this are fiat abarths and fiat do not own abarth anymore but work closely with them still from what the dealers told me when I bought my AGP (not a FGPA)

And on the V5 it says:
make:Abarth
Model: Grande punto Tjet 155
I wouldn't believe what the dealer told you, Abarth are still very much owned by Fiat S.p.A and Abarth UK is a trading name of Fiat Group Automobiles UK Ltd. http://www.fiat.co.uk/500abarth/ Abarth were an independant company until Fiat bought them in 1971. Shall we start this one again on second thoughts
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i do consider this the end of this conversation.
So I guess it must be time for you Abarth guys to leave the Fiat forum and join the Abarth Forum.
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

we are already on there,they can't believe the rubbish on this thread aswell.

btw i have other cars that are fiats ,so guess i will still be hanging around here.
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Re: "Abarth Martini Racing Ritmo convertible 100S Mystery????? "

when abarth meant something there last car was the integrale, all these new badged abarths are just mass produced fiats with a few upgrades,
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when abarth meant something there last car was the integrale, all these new badged abarths are just mass produced fiats with a few upgrades,
I agree with you there, even though I have a GPA. It is a good car and I enjoy driving it, but if I'm honest it doesn't feel as special as the Strada Abarths that I had in the 90's.

I'm also on the Abarth Forum and not everyone on their believes in the bull***t about Abarth being superior to Fiats, or being a totally seperate company to Fiat. Lets be honest, at the moment they are no different to Renault / Renaultsport, BMW / M series BMW, etc, etc.
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