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General Citroen Nemo overturns in Which? Test

Isn't it an option on the Qubo?

In any case, it is obviously essential, and I wouldn't buy a new car without it, and most particularly not a high build car.

I saw the vid on Autoblog and this will do damage to Citroen and Peugeot, particularly as they don't seem terribly concerned that these products are innately dangerous and are continuing to sell them without the essential safety kit.

None of these cars, Qubo included, should be sold until the necessary kit is fitted.
 
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I think it is the ESP kicking in and cutting power/braking to maintain stability. This causes the little hops as the mechanism works - I believe.

It shouldn't be an option. These cars are selling badly anyway, and unless the makers address these faults immediately - and it seems they won't - the damage to sales will be profound. They should stop selling them until the fixes are in place, and not as an option.

It does make me wonder at why they arrived with such low powered engines in the first place though, since a Qubo with a Multiar 1.4, offering say 120hp at a sensible price, would have sold well.
 
i think Fiat were hoping for a large fleet sale but as usual no advertising, failing to listen to techs/public over the engine sizes (as you stated) chosen it was always doomed to failure...shame really as its a decent car/van but with the multipla gone and the new doblo costing a fair amount the qubo might be a more favourable choice?
 
My thoughts exactly. I really like it. But remember the original Doblo, with a gutless 1.2 petrol and the old 1.9 non-turbo Diesel. They eventually put proper engines in the thing and then it sold.

I would just fit the right engines to the Qubo; Diesel 95 and petrol 120, and fit a shelf over the screen, then target and price it properly, and sell the thing.

Why doesn't Fiat get it?
 
Me too. The 1.4 MJet is more economical than the NA version anyway, look at the Punto Evo figures. In fact, they could almost drop the Diesel for the private market altogether. I just don't get it. I'd love to know the reasoning, because this must have been carefully considered by someone.
 
Rest my case when back in Dec 09 I thought the Qubo was unstable in the bends only to be told it had a very stable and safe GP chassis. Hence one of the reasons for getting rid.
Sorry for being a smug B.(y)
 
T14086 said:
i think Fiat were hoping for a large fleet sale but as usual no advertising, failing to listen to techs/public over the engine sizes (as you stated) chosen it was always doomed to failure...shame really as its a decent car/van but with the multipla gone and the new doblo costing a fair amount the qubo might be a more favourable choice?
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I get so annoyed with Fiats advertising. Why don't they see how well the 500 & Puntos (that get advertised on telly) sell, and then see how badly the rest of the range (that doesn't get advertised on telly) sells. With the Qubo they could've even done a joint advert for it with the new Doblo, abit like Vauxhall did for the Meriva & Zafira. In fact, i'm going to email them this week to vent my frustration. The Bravo needs pushing more aswell.

Ulpian said:
My thoughts exactly. I really like it. But remember the original Doblo, with a gutless 1.2 petrol and the old 1.9 non-turbo Diesel. They eventually put proper engines in the thing and then it sold.

I would just fit the right engines to the Qubo; Diesel 95 and petrol 120, and fit a shelf over the screen, then target and price it properly, and sell the thing.

Why doesn't Fiat get it?
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It seems unbelieveable that they fit the tiny 500 with a 95bhp diesel and shove a 75bhp engine in the Qubo, which is meant to be shifting 5 people plus luggage. What the hell were they thinking?!

The 1.4 petrol i can understand. A 16v 1.4 like in the Doblo wouldve been better, but i suppose the idea is if you want a 16v, you get the Doblo instead. But the fact that you jump from a 75bhp diesel in the Qubo, to a 1.6 105bhp diesel in the Doblo seems daft. I do wonder however, if the lack of 95bhp diesel in the Doblo might be because it's going to be put in the Qubo soon?


They really need to try and do something quick about this roll over problem though. Remember how long people remembered the Merc A Class rollover saga for. Can they recall all Qubos & fit the ESP, or is it something that has to be done at the point of building the car?

One positive at least - if someone was dead set on one of those 3 MPVs, they'd get the Fiat if they were gonna get any after seeing that test.
 
Apparently it has to be engineered in, from scratch on engines where it isn't already an option. This will take until the summer at least for the engineering work to be done. It can't be retro-fitted.

Fiat should fit it as standard immediately to those engines which have been designed to take it, and stop selling the rest.

Don't they realise that any bad safety publicity will just re-open the old negative public memories of Fiat and ruin all the progress they are making?
 
Ulpian said:
Me too. The 1.4 MJet is more economical than the NA version anyway, look at the Punto Evo figures. In fact, they could almost drop the Diesel for the private market altogether. I just don't get it. I'd love to know the reasoning, because this must have been carefully considered by someone.
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I think there may of been some 'political' reasons between citroen/pug?
 
Which is why they all have the same power, even with their own engines. It hasn't worked has it. Nobody much buys any of these things.

The Qubo is a lost opportunity, but I see from the reports that Fiat is going to update it later this year, so...?

We keep waiting for the optimum Fiat range, and the goalposts are still as hazy as ever. But: things really are getting better, and by 2012 Fiat should have totally revised its engines, petrol and Diesel, and its model range - at least according to the pundits. Multiair on Diesels is coming soon, and this should get rid of the DPFs...hooray! Then the twin, and the auto-box to go with it. With this new gearbox the twin will have emissions of 80g/km C02 Brilliant for a 105hp engine.

I'll keep my old bus for a couple more years and then see if any of us are able to afford a new car. Maybe the Qubo will get the spec in needs by then too...
 
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Ulpian said:
Apparently it has to be engineered in, from scratch on engines where it isn't already an option. This will take until the summer at least for the engineering work to be done. It can't be retro-fitted.

Fiat should fit it as standard immediately to those engines which have been designed to take it, and stop selling the rest.

Don't they realise that any bad safety publicity will just re-open the old negative public memories of Fiat and ruin all the progress they are making?
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Thanks for clarifying - that kinda wrecks any chances of having the early Qubo's saved from this potential embarassment then.

And totally agree on the bad publicity. The only saviour is that it's a collaboration with PSA so the bad press should get diluted amongst all three marques. Also, the Fiat wasn't the one that overturned and does have ESP as an option, so strictly speaking that should help stop Fiat getting such a bashing.

They should still halt production on the models without ESP though. It's not like there'll be many outstanding orders being built anyway - we're the only ones that know they exist, such is the greatness of Fiat UKs advertising (n)
 
We have a Qubo Trekking - although I found the manual unclear as to whether we have ESP, Fiat have now confirmed it is fitted as standard, whereas other Qubos have it as a £310 option. Apparently, of the 925 Qubos so far sold in UK, only 15% have ESP.

The Fiat rep also said that Qubo had passed all the necessary lane-changing tests. Be that as it may, I doubt if they'll sell many more over here until they fit ESP as standard!

Brom
 
Just a further point about the power of the 75bhp engine, or apparent lack thereof. On paper, perhaps; our Qubo is a little flyer, often the quickest vehicle on the road, handles well and is perfectly capable of overtaking. I suggest that the perceived problem is the 0-60 figure, which is largely irrelevant in real life - what matters is the mid-range performance, 30-60. It also gets over 50mpg, and isn't yet loosened up.

We also have a '57' 85bhp Doblo 1.3, after three years with a 105 version. I thought the 1.3 would be a slug - not a bit of it - it has 200NM of torque and is just as quick as the other except at the top end (over 80), is slightly lighter at the front end and therefore quicker to turn in, and gives 3mpg better consumption.

So before dismissing the 1.3 in its present form, try a test drive on a good twisting driving road.

Brom
 
HI brom just like to say i agree with everything you say my trekking also flyes.
By the way iam the guy you met in kendal morrisons.
 
Have to disagree with last two posts. Found the 1.3 diesel dreadful. So under powered and absolutely no torque. Couldn't think of a worse car to take through a set of bends - mind you the body roll would be quite entertaining / scary:eek:. As for over taking, unless its a pensioner, tractor or milk float you simply don't in a qubo.
Sorry to be so dismissive on a Fiat forum but just my views on a crap (but what should've been good) car.
 
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