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But if it's been bent back and not jigged properly it will crumple in a crash, you sure you want your wife and kids to travel in a car that will kill them in the event of an accident?

Steve
 
thats okay the dave all i want to do is get it on the road asap i need to pass my lesson before feb 2007 time is running out and the this winter is going to be cold and verry wet :bang: so i dont have to go onto publick transport agin costing 5.50 a day for a day triper and we do go some miles as well oh yeah when its passed it mot i will take it to a body shop and modify it on the out side and keep the inside for it for a little longer :cool:
 
Steve-0 said:
But if it's been bent back and not jigged properly it will crumple in a crash, you sure you want your wife and kids to travel in a car that will kill them in the event of an accident?

Steve

155 at autcion and 12.50 admin the 10.00 pound delivery 177.50 aka 180 lol :rolleyes: but its got a philips radio and to clean seats and carpit and 38200 miles on the clock :D
 
as custard said won't it need an engineers certificate because its been cat c write-off.

i have to disagree with you about bending bits back it is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible to have others in the car with you. i'm sure if you were to crash it and an enquiry was done into why the car did not react as it should in a crash you'll have no insurance and probably a funeral to attend. i got all my bits welded in, sprayed checked etc. for under £400 that would make the car costing 577 which i dn't see as bad for a low mileage good runner as you said. your willing to blow money on modifying it externally do you know how much that costs - with that front impact i bet even a standard bumper wll need work to fit!

i know it sounds like a rant but i can't believe what im reading and you seem to be ignoring all our advice even from those who have been in the same sitaution before all for the sake of saving a few quid. :(
 
well i tell you Fook it at the end of the day why the hell does the goverment says that you if you pass an MOT then you car is sound as an pound there are nuthing wrong with cars that have been in a shunt in them what about about thoes who have side inpacts there the worse becouse there are not totaly sound but if it needs welding i can weld iv done it before any way well dam me if the wing fits the bumper fits well whos lafing i will and thats dam wrong what you said that about a funeral and by the way it would be insurence start paying for it tomoz haha pluse getting it check out any next week PRE MOT
 
and by the way im not going to say anything untill everything is passed pluss if it was a cat B or below it wouldnt be alowed even to be considerd to be put onto the road and the scrapyard would be resposible if it didnt meet the cryteara of the CATS any way speak to you in two weeks time gota lot of stuff between now and then but ill keep an eye out on the fourm and see you guys when its done :mad: :( :eek: :) :eek: :D :slayer: :devil: :cool:
 
i spoke to my mechanic today who's doing my MOT and he said that if he noticed distortion of anything and saw that stuff had been 'bent back' he would fail it - i thought i would require on your behalf and showed him on my car where your damage was. he also said it would need sticking on a jig.

Vehicle Structure
Free from excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas. No sharp edges.


ref:http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/mottestersgarageowners/mottesting/carcomponentstested.htm

and its not wrong what i said i was merely hypothesising the worst case scenario. the scrappy would of sold you that car with the basis of it being cat c which means its up to you to have it repaired so its structuraly safe to drive (and with it being cat c it is structuraly repairable) if you don't do that then it ain't the scrappy that is liable its you, and if you read your insurance policy docs you are declaring your car is of a sound condition if it was found in an investigation that it wasn't your insurance will be void.

how hard is it to take our advice and do the job properly at the end of the day thats what you asked for by posting on here!

good luck anyway and i hope you get it all sorted and remember to post some pics when you've done!

Josh
 
Category c doesnt need an engineers report, it just requires a VIC check which costs £36. All the check involves is making sure that the engine and chasis number match up with the original documents and that the car is not cloned! At no point do they check the repair or whether the car is roadworthy as that onus is on you(y) !
I havent read everything on this thread but i will tell you that i have stripped category c cars in better condition than yours Kick Ass but good luck with it and make sure you dont cut corners on the job as all cars have shear points and crumple zones and your car has suffered severe damage to one of those areas.(n)
 
matt its going for an mot once iv sent for the docs any way iv been told that at the mot place that they would pass it in its courent consition solong iv got everything bumper headlight's but i would like to say its not the chassy iv been on the vosa web site and have a look on the vic docs and its not the chassy that wrong with the car its the ON the application from it says is there any damege to
Monocoque which is the SHELL
Chassis Which is the underbelly of the car that surports everything

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/forms/application for a vehicle identity check (vic 1).pdf
go to page TWO

the crupel zone around the monocoque is in one pice and just some signs of crumple if it was hit on that side agin the car would be a wright off becouse the crumple zone was hit but not sereuse damage but it would be a total damege next time and by the way the hole front part of the car is a crumple zone and so is the back aka boot area so long as the it sound

rapture when you said and you quoted from the vosa web site
Free from excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas. No sharp edges

1 excessive corrosion
ANSWER there is no rust accept on the bottom where the head light situpon

2 damage in specific areas
ANSWER. if the damage that affects steering braking and control of the vehical than it is deemed un safe and will FAIL

3 No sharp edges
ANSWER No sharp thing sticking out like a flag pole

does the vehical steer properly YES does the vehical brake properly YES does the vehical handle properly YES

so whats wrong with it oh only a little bit a shunt left viserble on the front left side of the monocoque where the raidator is and not lose or going to FALL OFF

i came on this web site to get some advise and all iv got advice of truly is an MOT guy that live by me he asked me some question and id showed him 10 pics iv taken of the car and he said there is no majour parts of the vehical affeted so who ever you went with raptor well he probley riped you off all you taking ball **** and by the way in the mot they carnt use any other equipment accept thoes which has been aproved they carnt even take anything of thanks matt for being nice and positive
 
getting the wing today for 32.50 then spray paint it nice see if everything still fits
 
kick ass said:
getting the wing today for 32.50 then spray paint it nice see if everything still fits

well if there is no chasis damage there is no reason why it shouldn't fit (y)

going by the pics you have shown ie:

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there is damage to the front cross member and it needs to be replaced you can't say 'it was small hit this time so it'll be ok' '..but next time i'll have to replace it'

did you ever see the car test on top gear when they stuck land rover discovery's into walls at 40mph and the damage caused was horrific. the punto is not as safe and as strong as that.

it all well and good if it passes mot's, meet vosa requirments but at the end of the day YOU know what your driving in. YOU will be aware that the front end has been bent back in shape. i just can't understand your mind set.

i give up :bang: :bang:
 
raptor said:
i spoke to my mechanic today who's doing my MOT and he said that if he noticed distortion of anything and saw that stuff had been 'bent back' he would fail it - i thought i would require on your behalf and showed him on my car where your damage was. he also said it would need sticking on a jig.

Vehicle Structure
Free from excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas. No sharp edges.


ref:http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/mottestersgarageowners/mottesting/carcomponentstested.htm

Car Components Tested


Below is a full list of all elements that are checked during an MOT test.
raptor what are you on the vosa has only two difrent sets of testing VIC and MOT you quoted mot if it passes mot ITS passed to a high enouth standerd the land rove waight is over two tons ???? and what is a punto if you get slamed buy a range rover or any 4x4 you are more likely to be killed at 40mph with a land rover than you are in on a head on colistion with an oradmary car and pluse you dont have ball bars that coted in soft materal dont for get you said the range rover hit head on wall if it was then even newer built car will have trouble on the test as well
 
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any one wanna see my new side and bumper lol
 

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I'm afraid Raptors got a point. Everyone who has posted here has your best interests at heart.

Think about it this way. Open a can of coke (or any other soft drink:D ), that's like the first crash this Punto has experienced. All you're doing is bending the ringpull back flat again. Now, when you pull the ring pull up again, it takes alot less effort no? That's what will happen in the event of another crash. The front is alot weaker. Granted it will pass an MOT, but I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, it has no reason not to fail in the examiners eyes, although it is severly weakened. It's roadworthy, not crashworthy.

This car will be carrying your family, for their sakes, just get a new cross member welded in there, and be safe in the knowledge that in a crash, that will crumple, not your bones. The old one, bent back into shape will fold alot easier and transfer more of the shock into the car.
 
kick ass said:
raptor said:
i spoke to my mechanic today who's doing my MOT and he said that if he noticed distortion of anything and saw that stuff had been 'bent back' he would fail it - i thought i would require on your behalf and showed him on my car where your damage was. he also said it would need sticking on a jig.

Vehicle Structure
Free from excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas. No sharp edges.


ref:http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/mottestersgarageowners/mottesting/carcomponentstested.htm

Car Components Tested


Below is a full list of all elements that are checked during an MOT test.
raptor what are you on the vosa has only two difrent sets of testing VIC and MOT you quoted mot if it passes mot ITS passed to a high enouth standerd the land rove waight is over two tons ???? and what is a punto if you get slamed buy a range rover or any 4x4 you are more likely to be killed at 40mph with a land rover than you are in on a head on colistion with an oradmary car and pluse you dont have ball bars that coted in soft materal dont for get you said the range rover hit head on wall if it was then even newer built car will have trouble on the test as well

this was a test done of various cars into a stationary object - i was merely pointing out that even strong cars such as the range rover (3*) megane (5*) all saved their passengers but by no means would the car be fit to save them again. bear in mind that the punto has a 2* rating and thats at full structural strength. the test wasn't car vs car. i think the conclusion was that a land rover (the modern ones which no longer have bull bars etc.) known as the school run choice oof transport was less safe for its occupants than a fiesta.

punto safety: http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=1&id2=7

corsa (as comparison) : http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=1&id2=23


all tests performed at 40mph (not fast in the grand scheme of things!

the mechanic i approached said that there is flexibillity within the testing and if at any point the tester sees fit to fail the car under one of the clauses and have justifcation for the clause he\she can do. you can appeal it in which case an independent assesment will be done within 5 days. he also added if it does come to that and the reason is 'damage to specific areas' with the justification being that there has been imapct damage then you won't have any means for appeal.

as Col said, we are effectively looking out for you. i've even gone out my way to ask my mechanic (albeit i did bump into him) about your situation and that i feel reflects the people on this forum, most are willing to go out their way to seek further advice for our fellow forum members.

i'm glad that the new wing fits and seems flush with the bumper - did you repair the inner wing damage you mentioned or have you just covered it up?
 
and on closer look on those pictures:

have you secured the wheel lining to the bumper? cos that wheel arch does not line up also if you look left of the wing mirror in the 2nd pic there is a gap at the top that narrows as you go down. on mine that gap doesn't narrow and i've checked a few side on pics of others cars and theirs doesn't either.

can you see what i mean compared to this pic:

punto_gai_10.jpg
 
col7104 said:
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just get a new cross member welded in there, and be safe in the knowledge that in a crash, that will crumple, not your bones. The old one, bent back into shape will fold alot easier and transfer more of the shock into the car.

okay what do you mean cross member ??? a new leg where the crumple zone is ??? or weld a some surport into the engin area can do that got the metal for that any way. ????

well im going to ask a the scrap yard dealer near me they got an p reg fiat punto blue 55 but i was going to ask him how much would it cost for the front end of it aka from the wheel arch where the leg is and including the air conditioning unit as well see how much below 80 hope so look grovey if i could get it but he is tight tho
regarding crumple zones i can see both sides i know that i wanna save money but it not going to be on the road just yet.
plus i do wanna modefie it as well

BUT if i take the front pice of the 55 the doors front of mine is only 1mm not 1 cm but a mill the left hand side opens brill but it show some scrach paint.
everything on the left side fits accept two bolt thats why considering taking the hole front of the mk1 punto 3 door and wheld it onto the front crumpel zone and right hand side becouse i carnt find a r reg 5 door any whereand there asking 75 second hand.

but the question to me is that is it worth it ??? once you weld something up even at top standerd it will complet crumpel at the same rate as if i just leave it any way the insurence will know about the vehical any way becouse they have records.

ill check tomoz to see if the guy 15 for left side set of lights better than 25 at other places tho
 
My local mechanic (for a mate's fiesta when he put it into a tree and bent the cross member) ordered a new front member, cut the bits he didn't need away, cut the damaged section out of the car and welded the new bit in with a suitably sized overlap I believe. Should be the same princible here. I'll have to ask and confirm.

A properly welded new piece should be just as strong as original.

Even factoring in doing a proper job of repairing the car, you should still have picked up a bargain considering the engine looks in good condition.(y)
 
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