Cry for help here. My car is a Series 1 Lancia Y, but they are mechanically identical to the S1 Punto. The passenger window has failed, and I want to get the door card off to fix it. However, for the first time in my life, I simply can't work out what to do, and it's not in the manual. The problem is that I can't work out how to dismantle the armrest and door handle mechanism. There is a big bolt at the top with a cap over it - I have had that off before, but I can't find out what holds the armrest on at the bottom!

Can anyone help? Although it looks different from a Punto one, it will have the same fixing mechanisms and 'hard points', because the basic structure is the same.

Hi

As nobody else has offered..

Often the card is 'hanging' from the window aperture

With just the plastic poppers going around the perimiter

So start at bottom rear of card..

(After checking for screws in the oddments tray )

And with a flat implement..
Start popping the plastic clips out

Your door handle tooks like it is moulded into the oddments tray..

I seem to recall later trays were a fixed part of the card.. wheras early ones has 6/8 screws tieing them to the door

BUT there will probably be a BIG screw holding the top of thd handle to the doors inner structure

Have fun..!!

westernlancia said:

Cry for help here. My car is a Series 1 Lancia Y, but they are mechanically identical to the S1 Punto. The passenger window has failed, and I want to get the door card off .

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Check the wiring at both door joins..
It doesnt take much to stop them

Do these diagrams from ePER offer up any clues?

http://eper.fiatforum.com/eper/navi...INT_MODE=0&EPER_CAT=SP&WINDOW_ID=1&GUI_LANG=3

http://eper.fiatforum.com/eper/navi...INT_MODE=0&EPER_CAT=SP&GUI_LANG=3&WINDOW_ID=1

Pickwick said:

Do these diagrams from ePER offer up any clues?

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A-ha - yes, they do, although not 100%! And thanks very much - I am usually a bit defeatist about the eper because I often have trouble getting into it (I think its servers get overloaded).

It looks as if the handle, which feels VERY firmly anchored to the door, is not actually attached, but that the big screw (No.4 in the first link you sent - there is definitely a big screw that I can't find somewhere) is attached via the door handle 'ornament'(!) - No.6 in the second link you sent.

I'd lay money that Punto cards, although they look different, are constructed in exactly the same way, because all the 'hard points' of both cars seem identical, and so far the only parts I have bought that aren't Punto ones have been an exhaust and a windscreen.

varesecrazy said:

Hi

As nobody else has offered..

Often the card is 'hanging' from the window aperture

With just the plastic poppers going around the perimiter

So start at bottom rear of card..

(After checking for screws in the oddments tray )

And with a flat implement..
Start popping the plastic clips out

Your door handle tooks like it is moulded into the oddments tray..

I seem to recall later trays were a fixed part of the card.. wheras early ones has 6/8 screws tieing them to the door

BUT there will probably be a BIG screw holding the top of thd handle to the doors inner structure

Have fun..!!

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Thanks - I appreciate that you pretty much always reply to my questions, of which there are many! I should have posted a zoomed-out picture - I have got the oddments tray off (around 6 years ago!!) and I have been as far as popping most of the clips and undoing the big bolt at the top of the door pull (the one that is covered by a pop-out cap), and when I had done that I confidently expected to be able to give a big yank and it would all come off.

But zilch! Nada! Niente! So I gave up for 6 years and just drove around with the window shut. But it gets very hot here in summer, especially as the sunroof has also packed up (that's not just the motor - I think the rack has stripped one side, because it has gone crooked and jammed in its runners - maybe I will post a thread on that soon, because I bet Puntos had the same sunroof...).

Anyway, even after I had got all that lot off 6 years ago there was still something very tenacious holding it all in place, and I think it has got to be that other big screw, which from the eper diagrams looks as if it is behind the well that surrounds the actual door handle (the 'ornament' - I am a translator, and if they had got me to translate the eper I could have told them the correct word was trim!). I have tried a few times to get the 'ornament' off and failed, but I think looking at the diagram that it must be held on by the big screw as well, so there must be another pop-off cover somewhere! Off out to look!

And thanks again for always being so ready to help - there is no support network for the Y, because Italians don't 'do' the internet as much as Northern Europeans do - they must go to the beach instead (can't blame em really!) - and I think internet traffic in Italy is about 1/20th the UK! As a result there is sod all about them, even on viva-lancia dot come and the club forums. So it is really helpful being able to be a bit naughty and pretend they are Fiats. Well they are really - but of course, so are Peugeots now...

My mid 80s FIATs had the handle as a 'frame' screwed to the door and 'cover' keeping the screwheads out of sight

A Clamshell effect.. how drills and hairdryers are constructed

ePER

I have now 'bookmarked' a copy of the forums eper..

But not the login page.. a list of commercial vehicles

Ive had no Pirate Activity in my waters since

varesecrazy said:

My mid 80s FIATs had the handle as a 'frame' screwed to the door and 'cover' keeping the screwheads out of sight

ePER

I have now 'bookmarked' a copy of the forums eper..

But not the login page.. a list of commercial vehicles

Ive had no Pirate Activity in my waters since

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Now *that* is a good idea - I have just bookmarked it too! I used to just google Fiat eper, but when I do that I get another one - I think the Polish one - possibly because I am in France. And it is always unavailable. So now I have bookmarked the forum one for my car! Thanks for the suggestion.

And the door card - yes, there is a massive great screw somewhere under that 'frame' and I am gonna find it now!

Bon Chance !

Is the door wiring perfect ?

My punto had intermittent.. then ZERO function to the passenger window with that damage I showed

varesecrazy said:

Bon Chance !

Is the door wiring perfect ?

My punto had intermittent.. then ZERO function to the passenger window with that damage I showed

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Thanks! I'll let you know about the electrics - there are a fair few elec things on the car that don't work! Come to think of it, I don't think the interior light switch works, and as the driver's one doesn't work either (but the window does) I had assumed it was a wiring fault to the light. But it sounds as if it could be iffy connections to both doors!

Meant to say, re. clamshell construction - thanks - hadn't thought of that, but it makes loads of sense. I like construction methods where the whole is more than the sum of the parts (like monocoque construction in cars too). A few years back I got a load of ex-army Dexion at an army surplus shop, and it is proper Dexion TM brand. All the shelves lock together and until you have finished it is quite floppy. But as soon as you click the last one in place it locks solid and becomes amazingly strong - I used to keep 2 Lampredi twincam engines on one shelf, and although it bent the shelf a bit where they were sitting it all stayed absolutely solid and locked together.

And I don't think it was so much for structural reasons as aerodynamic ones, but when the Uno came out I bought a 70S new, and the publicity said it had 'autoclave' doors. I had no idea what that meant, so I looked it up, and it is a kind of oven where the doors fit over the edges (like the doors on Unos and Puntos). And they were the first cars to have them, although everything does now. Fiat are always first!