Third springs change, hoping to have the almost slammed look, and nothing...

First had Eibach -30 (or -35) springs, nice, but too hight.

Then Simoni Racing -50, still too high at the front, too low at the rear, so decided to buy Vogtland -60. Mounted today the front, and it's high like with Eibachs -30. Is it possible? Damn, instead of lowering, the car goes up... grrrrrr

Had a ride, 20 km ~, other springs got ok in that time but they were used, these are new, but is it possible an ulterior 20 30mm drop by "breaking in"? How much time it takes? It's becoming a nightmare. :bang:

At the front it looks like your only option will be to go for coil overs.

Oh yeah, the only option for 60 fronts that I found is Gmax springs, but they're expensive and I'm tired of trying, so yes, it seems that I have no escape...

most if not all coilovers will go lower than 60mm even if they say 30-60mm lowering. They have further adjustment on them but they can only go 60mm and still meet TUV as i understand it.. FK do a set for not alot of pennies and i believe its height adjustable at the rear as well although its not coilovers at the rear.

Karolis said:

Oh yeah, the only option for 60 fronts that I found is Gmax springs, but they're expensive and I'm tired of trying, so yes, it seems that I have no escape...

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Yes, if you tired of trying you need to go for the coil overs. Otherwise you may be able to fit a 2.1/4 inch coil over conversion on your front struts if they are in good nick and experiment with off the shelf 2.1/4 springs. I would say a 150lb, 9inch spring may be a good start for what you are up to.

My cabby is -50 and thats low enough with the speed bumps round here. Is yours a sporting/gt or standard?

Mine problem is that I'm not really dropped by 60 mm , even if the kit is 60mm... only 30 40 in real. So I need going 60 by real, and a coilover is good because I think they shouldn't say lies like Vogtland. Only problem is the price (I don't want Ta Technix and similar chinese). Or I should try the Gmax, 4th spring change, but my patience is over, and the gmaxes are 150gbp shipped...

Mine is a normal 1.2 8v 75, not Gt and not Sporting...

Simoni Racing springs, should be -30, but it lowers more than Eibachs -30 (looks like around -40 -50)


Vogtland -60 ****:


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I hoped for a similar result, not for a Punto that seems doing a wheelie...


The only thing that saves me from total insanity and putting everything on fire is that I like how the car drives, seems very good. :yum: But I really can't look at it when I get out of the car... :yuck:

Try looking at a set of springs for the sporting models, they were already lowered by -20mm so a set of -30mm sporting will drop yours by -50mm. Will try and find pics of the cabby as had to put 15s on to get some ground clearance.

There's no such clear thing like this, and blind trying is not good A lot of makers just have one part number for all the versions of Punto, so on one you have 30 mm drop, on other 45 and things like this. Also, I think not all the makers are exact on drop declaration, like Vogtland, because even on the GT 60 mm doesn't look like a real 60mm, and the 35 mm Vogtlands are really small drop... But these are things that you don't know if you don't try. I'm making a little bit of experience haha...

all the more reason to go adjustable

Yes, for the height it's the only way, the only thing that scaries me is the fact that maybe I will not like the dinamic side, how they ride, feel etc, even if everyone talks good about AP kits. Does anyone here has one?

The Mk1 looks a bit higher at the front even if the car sits level. However, from your pictures looks indeed a bit too high on the front and is not level. Particular bad with the Vogtlands. I assume your boot is fully loaded with ICE hence this look. Can't see any other reason. I use Eibach -30mm springs designed for the GT (10mm longer at the front then for normal 60S version) and the car still does not look as raised as your car in the pictures. On the Simoni if you raise the rear by 10mm it may look just about OK, as the front will drop as a result and the car will look more level. And finally the spring shape on the Mk1 at the front is odd, and is quite hard to work out the spring rate exactly. Also the spring rates at the front are quite low (estimate of 80lb, for standard springs and about 100lb for my Eibach). Any stiffer for example needed for lowering to 60mm will result in spring to short to fit standard strut. To allow such fitment you will need some progressive springs which are hard to make considering the shape of the springs on a mk1. Alternatively you will need shortened struts which allow fitment of shorter springs. If you can get a picture of the GMAX front springs, and they look progressive wound then you have a change to go -60mm with them.

Karolis said:

Yes, for the height it's the only way, the only thing that scaries me is the fact that maybe I will not like the dinamic side, how they ride, feel etc, even if everyone talks good about AP kits. Does anyone here has one?

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Well if you fit fully adjustable stuff you will be able to dial it in just how you like it, i've never used coilovers myself so cannot comment on which are good and which aren't but suspension is generally one of the places you get what you pay for. Most of the cheaper kits are just height adjustable only so you can't change how the car rides bumps at all

I know KW do a kit that has adjustable dampening (Variant 2), but don't think they do their variant 3 for the mk1 which has adjustability on the compression and rebound separately allowing for loads of adjustment assuming you can find somewhere that actually knows enough to set it up properly.

The rear wheels are 15" and the fronts are 14" at the moment. I need to get my tracking done as the 15s on the front catch the lower arm.

Karolis said:

Yes, for the height it's the only way, the only thing that scaries me is the fact that maybe I will not like the dinamic side, how they ride, feel etc, even if everyone talks good about AP kits. Does anyone here has one?

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I think the ride should be quite a bit harder then standard setup. The springs have to be quite a bit stiffer so the car is not bottoming out. You expect for example the car to travel +/90mm before bottoming out with standard springs at -60mm the spring would need to only travel +/-30mm before bottoming out which in principle will mean spring rate should be 3 times larger then standard. So an 80lb front spring should require a 240lb to go -60mm. So a good coil over kit would have done all this calculations for you and should have best spring combination for set ride height. Clearly a coil over kit designed for -60mm will be too stiff to use at -30mm if you want to have a softer ride. Once you have the kit you can experiment with softer springs at the front if you feel the ride is too stiff with the springs supplied. At the rear is harder as the springs are usually progressive wound. The good news for you is that you already have two set of rear springs that appear to go low enough that you can choose for you application.

Kw and other kits are around 1000 euro, not for my pockets and I don't use the car so particullary to need a kit like that The AP is the only one with a reasonable price, and somewhere someone told that they're kw copies...

My front shocks are shortened for bigger lowering, so everything should be fine... I think the Vogtland doesn't say well it's lowering, because even if mine isn't a GT/TD (heavy front), the difference is really really toooo much...

Vogtlands will go back to the seller.

I putted my older springs after a little cut (experiment). The car now sits a bit lower, good.

I never checked the travel of the suspension, did it yesterday and I'm surprised.

The shocks are shortened (don't remember how much and didn't checked, my error), when car sits on the ground I have only 3-4 cm of travel to reach the bump stop (probably original lenght).

Must I shorten the bump stop? 3-4 cm seems really too little for me.

Karolis said:

Must I shorten the bump stop? 3-4 cm seems really too little for me.

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If lowering the suspension that much, I'd think so. Running on the bump stops will usual result in issues like terminal understeer (turn into a bend, hit bump, car either spins or goes straight on) etc.