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Mmmmm, indicative of running rich. Try cleaning them up and re-gapping them (0.9mm from memory but look it up) - see if that makes it start and idle better - and if it does do resistance test on the coolant temp sensor
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Mmmmm, indicative of running rich. Try cleaning them up and re-gapping them (0.9mm from memory but look it up) - see if that makes it start and idle better - and if it does do resistance test on the coolant temp sensor
coolant temp sensor is 21 years old probably still original, but i dont think that would case problems in starting car

i changed spark plugs on 28.10.2014 ngk bcpr6es, warranty on plugs?
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no i don't think it will either, but it could make it run rich all the time which would eventually coke up the plugs to the point of not sparking properly... If that was the case cleaning and re-gapping them it would start ok but still run rich..

So my point was to clean them and gap them and see how it starts - that on its own could be the issue. Then look at the temp sender as that would be the first thing to look at for a reason for it to run rich.

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lambda and plugs are all dark

can that be cuz of bad temp sensor and running rich all the time?

do i have to drain antifreeze to change temp sensor
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mk2 lambda fit mk1 ? i know i will have to rewire, but will it work properly?
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changed everything electrical related but its still same
what else can it be
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Have you put the crank pully in the right position?
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Have you put the crank pully in the right position?
you mean that little pip? its in right possition, it suddenly started to behave like this, before it was more or less fine
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Cam Belt timing

Yes that's the one mate

Have you got a spare set of coil packs
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Re: Cam Belt timing

This thread is confusing and not really going anywhere, mostly because you hijacked someone else#s ancient thread!

Start again and explain the spec and condition of the car, what you have observed, and what you have tried.

I have had similar things with a 1995 Tipo 1.4 and a 2001 Brava 1.2, generally it is sensors / wiring / air leaks that confuse the ECU or the fuelling.

The Tipo had an intermittent starting problem that was traced to the temp sensor and also it's flaky wiring. The Brava had an ECU light issue and rough running which was an airleak / crack just upstream of the 2nd lambda sensor.
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Re: Cam Belt timing

Change the coolant sensor, cheap and fairly easy (may damage the old one getting it off with a socket...). No need to drain coolant I think, just a small leak.

Replace the damaged exhaust section, should be cheap and easy on your Punto. Avoids the lambda getting a lean (high O2) reading and telling the ECU to add more fuel.

Get the ECU fault diagnosed, it will probably give a temp or lambda sensor fault.
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Re: Cam Belt timing

i changed ht leads, coil packs, temp sensor, spark plugs, disconnected lambda and its same, rly hard to start and rough idle + some sort of metal clunk in engine when applying more gas while driving and it has almost no power

as said only error shown in mes was lambda

need to buy compression tester to check if its head gasket
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Re: Cam Belt timing

metallic clunk under load worries me most from what you have said... does it turn over nice and easily and smoothly if you turn the engine by hand from the crank (it will be hard to do without removing spark plugs first).
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yea engine turns smoothly by hand
and its not that hard to turn even with plugs still inside and car in neutral
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Re: Cam Belt timing

is there something else i could try before i take head off, apart from compression test
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