I love my punto but it has a very underpowered 1.2 8v engine

A lot of turbo conversions with basically the same engine could be found on the web, so this is what I had in mind.. Is it possible to achieve 200hp with the following while still being a reliable daily?

0.) Completely stock engine
1.) ECU Master DET 3 Piggy Back
2.) K04 Audi TT Turbo or Arashi TD04L-20T T25
3.) 360cc Injectors
4.) 4 port electronic solenoid
5.) Stock exhaust if possible or without the middle box

Would i require forged internals? What other parts would I need or require to change for a complete setup?
If someone has a schematic for pin outs for Magneti Marelli 52032655, it would be great

Thanks in advance ?

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DankDoge said:

I love my punto but it has a very underpowered 1.2 8v engine

A lot of turbo conversions with basically the same engine could be found on the web, so this is what I had in mind.. Is it possible to achieve 200hp with the following while still being a reliable daily?

0.) Completely stock engine
1.) ECU Master DET 3 Piggy Back
2.) K04 Audi TT Turbo or Arashi TD04L-20T T25
3.) 360cc Injectors
4.) 4 port electronic solenoid
5.) Stock exhaust if possible or without the middle box

Would i require forged internals? What other parts would I need or require to change for a complete setup?
If someone has a schematic for pin outs for Magneti Marelli 52032655, it would be great

Thanks in advance ?

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What budget?

Limited options with just a base 1242

Budget is 3000 to 3500 euros.

These sorts of questions come up a lot, if you’re able and handy and have he kit and tools you may be able to achieve what you want within budget, any custom job is going to need a custom ecu map and you may be looking at using a third of your budget or more with the tuner just getting it running properly, which for 200hp is a huge amount of effort.

Honestly you could sell the punto and take your money and buy a corsa VXR for 190hp+ right out of the box, or there are plenty of other 200+ bhp cars you could buy within budget.

Don’t forget with the 1.2 you will need to update the brakes because the stock brakes will not cope with 200hp, you would also likely need a new gearbox to cope with the power bearings might need uprating as would the wheels to match the bigger brakes, better tyres and possibly better suspension, certainly a firmer anti roll bar, if you’re insistent on keeping a punto then maybe aim for the 2011 sporting with the 130hp multi air engine, then fit a t-Jet head and bigger turbo for a big improvement in power, but even then you’d need your whole budget and then some to make over 200hp, maybe with just a remap on a sporting you can make 160hp with out other modifications and the rest of the car won’t need work

And not let’s not forget insurance, that is if you can manage to acquire some. You’d be surprised how much the quotes will be.

AndyRKett said:

These sorts of questions come up a lot, if you’re able and handy and have he kit and tools you may be able to achieve what you want within budget, any custom job is going to need a custom ecu map and you may be looking at using a third of your budget or more with the tuner just getting it running properly, which for 200hp is a huge amount of effort.

Honestly you could sell the punto and take your money and buy a corsa VXR for 190hp+ right out of the box, or there are plenty of other 200+ bhp cars you could buy within budget.

Don’t forget with the 1.2 you will need to update the brakes because the stock brakes will not cope with 200hp, you would also likely need a new gearbox to cope with the power bearings might need uprating as would the wheels to match the bigger brakes, better tyres and possibly better suspension, certainly a firmer anti roll bar, if you’re insistent on keeping a punto then maybe aim for the 2011 sporting with the 130hp multi air engine, then fit a t-Jet head and bigger turbo for a big improvement in power, but even then you’d need your whole budget and then some to make over 200hp, maybe with just a remap on a sporting you can make 160hp with out other modifications and the rest of the car won’t need work

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Thank you for your reply .

I know it might be more worth it to sell it and buy a car with a more powerful engine, but I bought it brand new in late 2017 (Was garaged) with the help of my father and grandpa. It has just 3000km on the clock and I already put a lot of time into it. Maybe i can try and do all the work myself and use a microsquirt 2 or an ecu master det3 piggy back. They seem to be the simplest options to install and tune.

I heard that with a megasquirt 2, the ignition coils and injectors can be disconnected from the factory ECU and connected to the megasquirt. The crankshaft sensor and throttle sensor can be connected in parallel with the factory ECU. Additional temperature sensors can be installed specifically for the megasquirt.

I think that it is a good idea that for now I establish a proper method for engine management and familiarize myself with the tuning software then look at purchasing the required components. Maybe someone can help with choosing and wiring one of the mentioned options and recommend which parts have to be upgraded or are needed.

I would still be happy with 150bhp. Thanks for your help!!

DankDoge said:

I heard that with a megasquirt 2,

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That sums up the main problem right there. As much as these set ups are meant for hobbyists they are still not simple and do require a lot of knowledge and understanding, you’d be far better off finding a forum for megasquirt than on here as this is not something that ever gets covered on this forum and as you may have noticed this area of the forum is pretty quiet.

Assuming you could get a custom exhaust/inlet manifold with turbo fabricated and fitted, that you can install all the relevant pipe work and route the induction system and everything else that goes with upgrading the engine, even with 150hp you would still need to make serious modifications and upgrades to the brakes and suspension to prevent your newly tuned punto wrapping itself round the nearest tree.
Even my 120hp diesel sporting has rear disc brakes, much bigger vented front brakes and much larger anti roll bars than you’ll find on a 1.2 petrol and even then it’s still not a precision drive that you want from anything high performance.

You’ll still need a better gearbox as you’ll probably end up redlining in 5th gear if you try to get any proper speed out of it and it won’t be economical at lower speeds.

It’s not just the complexity of the upgrades to the engine, you will honestly have to replace most of the car.

Bigger wheels to fit bigger brakes,
Bigger brakes to stop a more powerful car.
Better suspension to keep a faster car on the road,
Stronger gearbox with higher ratios,
Updated clutch to take the power, maybe even a different flywheel...

Then if it’s a 1.2 I assume it has the standard seats with no bolstering, plastic steering wheel and gear knob 5 doors ? Standard bumpers no spoiler no skirts.

You could argue it’s a sleeper but where’s the point when you accelerate hard from a standing start and an otherwise standard bmw or Volvo can still walk away from you.

The suggestion to replace the car is because you’ll end up replacing the car anyway whether that means replacing pretty much every part of what you already have or when you get fed up and realise you could have bought something much more powerful for half of what you’ve spent on basic punto.

If your happy with 150hp then there is a list of cars as long as your arm that would meet that and cost less than the trade in of what you have and your proposed budget.

If you know exactly what you’re doing then by all means do it, if it’s a project and not your daily driver, then do it, but if you need the car to be reliable and use it every day then I strongly advise you don’t.

Thanks for your reply , All your points are valid, but I already have some mods done to the car (stitched leather steering wheel and shifter, window tint, sunvisor, led lights, low level spoiler, ats alloys, dvr with motion detection sensor, pioneer sub and amp, after market android head unit) and am willing to upgrade any parts required. A friend of mine has a proper garage which we could work in so there wont be much labour costs. Suspension and anti-roll bars look pretty straight forward to install. Now the thing that worries me are brakes, could i just transplant bigger front and rear disc brakes from any punto type 199? Is it a straight swap?