Technical 5w30 for a Punto 199 2012 1.2 51 kW ?

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Technical 5w30 for a Punto 199 2012 1.2 51 kW ?

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My nephew bought the car at the weekend.

I've looked at some engine oil sites and they all quote 5w40.

For a 2012 reg car I would have thought 5w30 would be better?

Opinions please!
 
My nephew bought the car at the weekend.

I've looked at some engine oil sites and they all quote 5w40.

For a 2012 reg car I would have thought 5w30 would be better?

Opinions please!
Looked at this myself as my boy has a Punto 1.4 8 valve which is going to get it's oil changed soon. I found the same as you 5w-40 recommended. I did wonder briefly about 5w-30 as my other boy's Astra runs 5w-30 and it's a 2007 plate! However perhaps we should reflect that this FIRE engine (a great engine in my humble opinion!) Traces it's lineage back into the '80's when I first encountered it in the Panda my daughter learned to drive in! 5w-40 was pretty cutting edge stuff in those days!

I decided to go with the 5w-40, it's even recommended in the Haynes manual so who am I? Anyway finally settled on Fuchs Titan GT1 5w-40 for no other reason than that it was recommended by two major independent oil suppliers and the size of the organisation producing it. Oh, and I found it on offer on eBay! Oh, and it comes in a 5litre size, not the "silly" 4 litres that seems to be becoming popular these days.

Hope that helps. Oil choice now a days is very complicated isn't it? But I recon that as long as the oil complies with the manufacturer's spec you are probably not going to do any harm. Personally I also like to buy a brand I have confidence in. For instance I buy Quantum oil from TPS for my VAG vehicles because I know it's actually Fuchs oil in the tin. Used to be Castrol but they very recently changed to Fuchs. Local factor sells "TradeTEC oils which I avoided, in ignorance, until I discovered it's actually made by EXOL lubricants and, for convenience sake, has now become my default when needed in a hurry. Also used Comma many times in the past and never knowingly had a problem.
 
Looked at this myself as my boy has a Punto 1.4 8 valve which is going to get it's oil changed soon. I found the same as you 5w-40 recommended. I did wonder briefly about 5w-30 as my other boy's Astra runs 5w-30 and it's a 2007 plate! However perhaps we should reflect that this FIRE engine (a great engine in my humble opinion!) Traces it's lineage back into the '80's when I first encountered it in the Panda my daughter learned to drive in! 5w-40 was pretty cutting edge stuff in those days! I've been keeping a look out for an '09 or '10 plate Panda Dynamic Eco for my wife because they have the 1.2 Euro4 engine but creep into the £30 road tax bracket. I believe they managed to achieve this, not by altering fueling etc, but by fitting low rolling resistance tyres and low friction oil. Wonder if that was 5w-30? Recommendation seems to be to just run them on 5w-40 though.

I decided to go with the 5w-40, it's even recommended in the Haynes manual so who am I? Anyway finally settled on Fuchs Titan GT1 5w-40 for no other reason than that it was recommended by two major independent oil suppliers and the size of the organisation producing it. Oh, and I found it on offer on eBay! Oh, and it comes in a 5litre size, not the "silly" 4 litres that seems to be becoming popular these days.

Hope that helps. Oil choice now a days is very complicated isn't it? But I recon that as long as the oil complies with the manufacturer's spec you are probably not going to do any harm. Personally I also like to buy a brand I have confidence in. For instance I buy Quantum oil from TPS for my VAG vehicles because I know it's actually Fuchs oil in the tin. Used to be Castrol but they very recently changed to Fuchs. Local factor sells "TradeTEC oils which I avoided, in ignorance, until I discovered it's actually made by EXOL lubricants and, for convenience sake, has now become my default when needed in a hurry. Also used Comma many times in the past and never knowingly had a problem.
PS in addition to the above - and for something to do when the "far better half" is watching "Eastenders" or "How to find out you didn't want to move to Australia or buy a house there anyway". If oil additives and problems caused by lubricants etc etc, is of interest to you then there are a couple of sites which, if you haven't already found them, are well worth a look.

"Oilem", which has a tie up with Powerenhancer another interesting site. Also "Bob is the Oil Guy". I find both have some very interesting stuff for when I can't get outside or wrestle the remote away from my dear wife!

All the best
Jock
 
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Thanks Folks!

I'll go with 5w40 for the Punto.

Since being introduced to 10w40 XFE for my old Rover 45TD, I've been an advocate of Millers Oils, their Trident series seems to be excellent.


The only exception is the two Bora TDIs we have which get Quantum III 5w30 (507.00) because that's official VW oil.
 
Obviously you have to use the correct spec of oil for your vehicle, but don't get all wound up about "the best oil " or oils that are advertised as liquid gold etc. Changing the oil & filter is far more beneficial to the engine.
 
Certainly not simulation of the lubrication operations in an engine but all the test samples undergo the same test.

Its interesting to see how the various oil brands cope in what is a basic film type lubrication.
 
Aye! but those tests have no bearing on engine function & how oil acts in an internal combustion engine, so in effect useless when choosing engine oil for your vehicle which is the essence of this post.
 
You state a valid point Jimboy!

The ideal way to choose engine oil would a website where the oils supplied, O.E. for all production cars, is listed.
 
Castrol! a money making company, just like others after a slice of the lucrative market, clever advertising, really just playing with words & stretching reality at best. They actually were taken to court because of their information relating to synthetic technology which was not 100% correct, but non the less got off on a technicality.

As said on many a forum by others, the choice of oil by car owners, some "feel" better by choosing their liquid gold over others. In doing this makes individuals more at ease with their engines.
 
I didn't know that Castrol was a money making company at all....;)
Where do you get your free oil, the Salvation Army...:rolleyes:

(A satisfied Castrol user for almost 45 years....(y))

And I don't "feel" oil, just follow the specs and facts.
In fact, I switched to Petronas oil in our new Giulietta 1,4 Turbo MultiAir, as Castrol doesn't have the correct specs oil for this particular engine...
 
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Ah Peter!.... you know exactly what I mean by some feeling better by their chosen oil..;) I'm not in the habit of trying to change anyones habit in their choice of oil. As you say following the specs for a vehicle. Regardless of company as long as the spec is right, not the Salvation Army by the way, they don't produce oil if you didn't know ;)

All I'm trying to say is, there are choices out there, but some are trying to exaggerate things. Peter you should know that..;) Another wink for you.:)
 
When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.


On the matter of Castrol, their subsidiary Quantum has its oil blended by Fuchs of Germany as far as I'm aware.

Mannol and Fanfaro, both brands of SCT of Germany, have their oils blended in a Lithuanian plant. Of what I've read on them, they seem good quality.
 
When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.

It has always been, and still is Selenia oils, owned by Petronas these days.
All new Fiat/Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars are since the eighties ( maybe earlier..) filled with different specs Selenia oils, coolant, brake fluid, grease etc.
 
When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.


On the matter of Castrol, their subsidiary Quantum has its oil blended by Fuchs of Germany as far as I'm aware.

Mannol and Fanfaro, both brands of SCT of Germany, have their oils blended in a Lithuanian plant. Of what I've read on them, they seem good quality.


It's been covered on here several times about engine oil. Engine oil that you want for your car will come from the same source/stock, cracked hydrocarbons, then there will be certain additives. For your bog standard fire engine & the likes, it's been joked on here that it can run on chip fat, obviously that's not the case, but it's really not worth worrying about.

I've said before, what's the best oil is up there with how much faster can I make my 1.2 car go....:rolleyes: The oil question gets asked so much so, in some forums it's practically banned.
 
I meant to say changing oil & filter *regularly* :D
Absolutely jimboy! Renewing engine oil AND FILTER on a regular basis (at least once a year if you're not doing the mileage) is probably the single most beneficial thing you can do. Apart from the normal degradation which takes place as an oil ages, it also accumulates contaminants. Some of these will affect its chemical structure, for instance "using up" antioxidants and anti-corrosives, but some will be physical particulates. Modern engines have plenty of constriction points which these particulates can potentially block, for instance, oil jets to cool the back of the piston crown, fine mesh filters on cam variator valve oil supply, feed pipes to turbo's and so on. To say nothing of the strainer on the pickup pipe! Regular oil and filter changes go a long way to rectifying this. I like to change my oil when it's good and hot, after having driven across the city perhaps, as the heat makes it nice and "runny" and suspends most of the particles so they come out with the oil. But care needs to be taken not to burn yourself as it will be VERY HOT! I wear a long gauntlet type rubber glove which gives just enough protection. For these reasons I do not believe in extended interval servicing especially if the engine is turboed, as this puts a lot of extra stress on the oil.

There will always be some solid matter which manages to find a wee corner to "hide away" in, anyone who's dismantled an old engine will testify to that. I would advise against using one of these engine cleaning additives, which you add to the oil, before changing it. Especially if it's an old engine which has not had such a product used on it before. They seem, not surprisingly, to contain a lot of detergent and are quite good at dislodging "crud" precisely because of this there's always the chance a bit of this "crud" will break loose and travel round in the oil until it blocks something up! Better just to let it rest where it's settled in my opinion. If you do regular "hot" oil changes there's not going to be much of it.

As to choice of oil. Well, where to start? After many years of trying to find out I'm still confused. The companies, understandably, want to protect commercially sensitive information. So, I have concluded:- 1. You won't go wrong buying a "big name" (Castrol, Shell, Petronas, Mobil, etc, etc.) product, as long as it meets manufacture's spec. One of these will have been the original factory fill after all! The problem is it's a good way to spend more than you need to.
2. There are a lot of online offers for these big name products and bargains are to be had. I sometimes buy this way but only from suppliers I trust who specialise in lubricants and if I don't need it in a hurry.
3. There are quite a number of "not so big name" products which are very good but cheaper. Names I have experience of are Comma, TradeTEC, and Halfords own branded. Professional motor trade sources, "Factors" will often supply these at advantageous prices and, for standard, every day, motoring are most satisfactory. Halfords trade card opens the door to some surprisingly good prices on Halfords branded goods and very useful on a Sunday when everyone else is shut.
4. I would not go near any very cheap product particularly if it comes from a supplier who is not involved in supplying other motor related items. Could be a bargain, but too great a risk to my way of thinking.
So, make what you will of it all. I'm not at all surprised to hear that some sites ban discussions on oil because it always seems to end up with opinions and "smoke and mirrors" - did I hear someone say Snake oil? Well that's perhaps a discussion for another day!
 
Aye Jock, I like your style. I'm an old git myself & started off as an apprentice mechanic, then gradually drifted into the oil sector as a welder. To be honest there's really no secret in engine oil, there is no "best" or bad engine oil, there is however the correct spec oil for your car. It's a multi billion pound industry & every company wants a piece of the action. I don't have a problem with that, why should I, however when certain oil companies start coming away with ridiculous advertising,that's a different matter. I've said this many times on here.....:wave:
 
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