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Re: 5w30 for a Punto 199 2012 1.2 51 kW ?

When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.


On the matter of Castrol, their subsidiary Quantum has its oil blended by Fuchs of Germany as far as I'm aware.

Mannol and Fanfaro, both brands of SCT of Germany, have their oils blended in a Lithuanian plant. Of what I've read on them, they seem good quality.
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When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.
It has always been, and still is Selenia oils, owned by Petronas these days.
All new Fiat/Lancia and Alfa Romeo cars are since the eighties ( maybe earlier..) filled with different specs Selenia oils, coolant, brake fluid, grease etc.
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When I mentioned OE, I meant the actual engine oils that get supplied to the car assembly plants for putting in the engines from new.

Nearly impossible for such a list to be compiled but its a nice idea I think.


On the matter of Castrol, their subsidiary Quantum has its oil blended by Fuchs of Germany as far as I'm aware.

Mannol and Fanfaro, both brands of SCT of Germany, have their oils blended in a Lithuanian plant. Of what I've read on them, they seem good quality.

It's been covered on here several times about engine oil. Engine oil that you want for your car will come from the same source/stock, cracked hydrocarbons, then there will be certain additives. For your bog standard fire engine & the likes, it's been joked on here that it can run on chip fat, obviously that's not the case, but it's really not worth worrying about.

I've said before, what's the best oil is up there with how much faster can I make my 1.2 car go.... The oil question gets asked so much so, in some forums it's practically banned.
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I meant to say changing oil & filter *regularly*
Absolutely jimboy! Renewing engine oil AND FILTER on a regular basis (at least once a year if you're not doing the mileage) is probably the single most beneficial thing you can do. Apart from the normal degradation which takes place as an oil ages, it also accumulates contaminants. Some of these will affect its chemical structure, for instance "using up" antioxidants and anti-corrosives, but some will be physical particulates. Modern engines have plenty of constriction points which these particulates can potentially block, for instance, oil jets to cool the back of the piston crown, fine mesh filters on cam variator valve oil supply, feed pipes to turbo's and so on. To say nothing of the strainer on the pickup pipe! Regular oil and filter changes go a long way to rectifying this. I like to change my oil when it's good and hot, after having driven across the city perhaps, as the heat makes it nice and "runny" and suspends most of the particles so they come out with the oil. But care needs to be taken not to burn yourself as it will be VERY HOT! I wear a long gauntlet type rubber glove which gives just enough protection. For these reasons I do not believe in extended interval servicing especially if the engine is turboed, as this puts a lot of extra stress on the oil.

There will always be some solid matter which manages to find a wee corner to "hide away" in, anyone who's dismantled an old engine will testify to that. I would advise against using one of these engine cleaning additives, which you add to the oil, before changing it. Especially if it's an old engine which has not had such a product used on it before. They seem, not surprisingly, to contain a lot of detergent and are quite good at dislodging "crud" precisely because of this there's always the chance a bit of this "crud" will break loose and travel round in the oil until it blocks something up! Better just to let it rest where it's settled in my opinion. If you do regular "hot" oil changes there's not going to be much of it.

As to choice of oil. Well, where to start? After many years of trying to find out I'm still confused. The companies, understandably, want to protect commercially sensitive information. So, I have concluded:- 1. You won't go wrong buying a "big name" (Castrol, Shell, Petronas, Mobil, etc, etc.) product, as long as it meets manufacture's spec. One of these will have been the original factory fill after all! The problem is it's a good way to spend more than you need to.
2. There are a lot of online offers for these big name products and bargains are to be had. I sometimes buy this way but only from suppliers I trust who specialise in lubricants and if I don't need it in a hurry.
3. There are quite a number of "not so big name" products which are very good but cheaper. Names I have experience of are Comma, TradeTEC, and Halfords own branded. Professional motor trade sources, "Factors" will often supply these at advantageous prices and, for standard, every day, motoring are most satisfactory. Halfords trade card opens the door to some surprisingly good prices on Halfords branded goods and very useful on a Sunday when everyone else is shut.
4. I would not go near any very cheap product particularly if it comes from a supplier who is not involved in supplying other motor related items. Could be a bargain, but too great a risk to my way of thinking.
So, make what you will of it all. I'm not at all surprised to hear that some sites ban discussions on oil because it always seems to end up with opinions and "smoke and mirrors" - did I hear someone say Snake oil? Well that's perhaps a discussion for another day!
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Aye Jock, I like your style. I'm an old git myself & started off as an apprentice mechanic, then gradually drifted into the oil sector as a welder. To be honest there's really no secret in engine oil, there is no "best" or bad engine oil, there is however the correct spec oil for your car. It's a multi billion pound industry & every company wants a piece of the action. I don't have a problem with that, why should I, however when certain oil companies start coming away with ridiculous advertising,that's a different matter. I've said this many times on here.....
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Aye Jock, I like your style. I'm an old git myself & started off as an apprentice mechanic, then gradually drifted into the oil sector as a welder. To be honest there's really no secret in engine oil, there is no "best" or bad engine oil, there is however the correct spec oil for your car. It's a multi billion pound industry & every company wants a piece of the action. I don't have a problem with that, why should I, however when certain oil companies start coming away with ridiculous advertising,that's a different matter. I've said this many times on here.....
Oh yes jimboy. I've always been puzzled by Castrol's "clingy technology" claims. My wee Ibiza, still under warranty so being serviced by the dealer (as insurance) is supposed to be filled with the professional version of Castrol Edge. Now, if you go out and pull the dipstick,, true enough, there is oil adhering to it even for some considerable distance above the actual oil level. There are six vehicles in the "family fleet" at present, five of which I maintain in their entirety, so I know what oils are in them, and none are Castrol. (Which is not to say that I don't think Castrol is an excellent product) you can go out and pull the dip stick on any of them, even after a couple of days idle, and the oils (Fuchs, Comma, and TradeTEC.) Are "clinging" just as high up as the Castrol. So, what's it all about? What am I being too thick to understand? Oh well, obviously all far to technical for a simple old codger like me to understand!
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Re: 5w30 for a Punto 199 2012 1.2 51 kW ?

My nephew's 2012 Punto, that I started this thread about, was recently recently written by another car.

He's now got a 2011 Polo TDI which the oil selectors quote VW507.00 for. I was actually going to use VW507.00 in the Punto as well following some advice I was given.

Anyway, the entire family fleet of 7 cars all need 5w30 so all are going to run on VW507.00.

For anyone interested!
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