Technical Running rough and engine light flashing

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austenw90

'13 Punto MultiAir 105
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My 2013 105 Multiair started up this morning and was running really rough and shuddering. I drove up the road about 100 yards and the engine light was flashing only when driving and the little warning triangle light was lit up. The only message on the screen was "stop start unavailable".

I've called my breakdown provider and they are on their way. I've started it again since and it runs fine.

Weird.

Any ideas?
 
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If you have no code recorded I think the dealer can't do anything.

No code recorded + no problem now = really hard to find the cause.
 
If you have no code recorded I think the dealer can't do anything.

No code recorded + no problem now = really hard to find the cause.

Hmm, maybe I'll just have to keep an eye on it and take it in if it happens again.

I think I will log it with the dealer just in case it happens later down the line and an issue arises. May be handy if it's out of warranty and I've notified them.
 
Hmm, maybe I'll just have to keep an eye on it and take it in if it happens again.

I think I will log it with the dealer just in case it happens later down the line and an issue arises. May be handy if it's out of warranty and I've notified them.
Perhaps the scan at Fiat is better and they will find something ?

Good idea, at least they record the problem "in case of". (y)
 
Sounds like the MultiAir unit is on its way out, from those symptoms. Pretty common problem and would be covered by warranty.

I think I need to get it in the dealers.

I've also noticed a bit of a tappet like noise under acceleration in the last week or so. All sounds a bit suspect from reading the Alfa forum.

I only had an oil & filter change last week at the dealer - correct oil was used as far as I am aware. Selenia K 5w40.
 
Sounds like the MultiAir unit is on its way out, from those symptoms. Pretty common problem and would be covered by warranty.

This sounds quite worrying.

I couldn't find any threads on FF about this but saw a few of the Alfa forum.

If this is only an intermitant issue and no fault codes logged how will the dealer diagnose if this is the underlying problem.

It's booked in next Wednesday 5th Nov.
 
No worries it can be a lot of thing instead the multiair unit.... An injector, a spark plug, a coil of a spark plug (4 coils type pen IIRC on the 105), a solenoid of the MA or effectively the MA unit.

But dont worry too much, I know many of MA cars (135, 180) and they are fine. One is a first Punto Evo, but with few km, never had a problem.
 
TBH i have only heard of Alfa's Mito at least in Greece breaking down and not Fiats.
I also asked a friend Fiat dealer and he said that no Punto has showed there for Multiair unit change.
 
TBH i have only heard of Alfa's Mito at least in Greece breaking down and not Fiats.
I also asked a friend Fiat dealer and he said that no Punto has showed there for Multiair unit change.

It seems that the turbo versions are more vulnerable which is all that's in the Alfa's isn't it? I don't think they fitted the 105 MultiAir to any cars?

The guy I spoke with in the service department at my local dealer said they had carried out 1 MultiAir replacement, I think he said on a Punto. But problems are few and far between, most being absolutely fine.

I'm dropping it off tomorrow now so will report back.
 
The dealer have found a fault code which indicated a misfire but it hasn't happened since and they've tested it thoroughly and can't find any issues so I'll just have to keep an eye on it.

They have been pretty helpful to be fair to them.
 
Thanks for feedback.

"Official" tools seems better, at least you have a code.
But as you dont have issue anymore it's hard to go further :/
 
Sorry, I somehow managed to miss this thread when I've logged in over the last few days. Glad the dealer was helpful. They did offer the 105 MultiAir in the MiTo but few were sold here. Most people seemed to go with the non-MultiAir 1.4 (78 or 95bhp) or the MultiAir Turbo 135.

It does seem mostly the 135 and 170 MultiAir's that the MA unit goes on, but that might be down to sales volumes as much as anything else. I'm sure at least one person had a problem with oil round the spark plugs on their 105 MultiAir Punto, which I believe is linked to MA unit failure, but if it's working again now, just keep an eye on it. It'd be running rough all the time if it'd failed. The dealer should have a log of the cars visit now, so if it does fail down the line hopefully there should be no fuss getting it replaced FOC - they cost about £900 otherwise, from reading about the Alfa failures.
 
Sorry, I somehow managed to miss this thread when I've logged in over the last few days. Glad the dealer was helpful. They did offer the 105 MultiAir in the MiTo but few were sold here. Most people seemed to go with the non-MultiAir 1.4 (78 or 95bhp) or the MultiAir Turbo 135.

It does seem mostly the 135 and 170 MultiAir's that the MA unit goes on, but that might be down to sales volumes as much as anything else. I'm sure at least one person had a problem with oil round the spark plugs on their 105 MultiAir Punto, which I believe is linked to MA unit failure, but if it's working again now, just keep an eye on it. It'd be running rough all the time if it'd failed. The dealer should have a log of the cars visit now, so if it does fail down the line hopefully there should be no fuss getting it replaced FOC - they cost about £900 otherwise, from reading about the Alfa failures.

Thanks Liam.

Them logging the incident was my main reason for going in to the dealers apart from making sure everything was ok or not.

I would have gone for the 135 but there were none about at the time less than 3 years old, I thought I'd play it safe and go for one within warranty.

I've had a few faster cars in the last few years and just wanted something comfortable, petrol and economical which this is. Together with the Lounge spec it's a great car and they are so cheap to pick up a year to two years old. I paid £7500 for my 13 reg with 9000 miles on.

I'm quite impressed with the little 105, it's quick enough and just has that bit more than the 1.4 8v which my parents have and is a great car.

£900 isn't a huge amount in the scheme of things, especially when Skoda (VAG) typically pay £3300 excluding labour to swap the engine is the huge number of failed 1.4 twin chargers fitted in the Fabia vRS and the Polo GTi, Audi A1 and Seat Ibiza. Imagine that bill out of warranty! Some owners have had to battle to get them to sort their cars within warranty I believe.
 
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Thanks Liam.

Them logging the incident was my main reason for going in to the dealers apart from making sure everything was ok or not.

I would have gone for the 135 but there were none about at the time less than 3 years old, I thought I'd play it safe and go for one within warranty.

I've had a few faster cars in the last few years and just wanted something comfortable, petrol and economical which this is. Together with the Lounge spec it's a great car and they are so cheap to pick up a year to two years old. I paid £7500 for my 13 reg with 9000 miles on.

I'm quite impressed with the little 105, it's quick enough and just has that bit more than the 1.4 8v which my parents have and is a great car.

£900 isn't a huge amount in the scheme of things, especially when Skoda (VAG) typically pay £3300 excluding labour to swap the engine is the huge number of failed 1.4 twin chargers fitted in the Fabia vRS and the Polo GTi, Audi A1 and Seat Ibiza. Imagine that bill out of warranty! Some owners have had to battle to get them to sort their cars within warranty I believe.

Hi, did you ever find out the reason for the issues, or has everything been ok since? I only ask as I tried to take a test drive in the same car & the same thing happened on the test drive!
 
Hi, did you ever find out the reason for the issues, or has everything been ok since? I only ask as I tried to take a test drive in the same car & the same thing happened on the test drive!

It's been fine since. It splutters at start up sometimes in the cold but nothing I haven't had with other cars.

It's just completed a 900 mile round trip to Scotland without issue, couldn't recommend one more. Just wish it was the 135 :(

I've had some major reliability issues with other brands in the last year so I'm glad to be back with trusty Fiat. Fingers crossed it's all ok now but it's still within warranty and the MultiAir failures are sub £1000 repair so I'm not too worried.
 
Thanks for the reply ? I'm going to bite the bullet I think & put a reservation deposit on it, then see what they say the issue was & see how it runs on the second test drive.
 
Thanks for the reply �� I'm going to bite the bullet I think & put a reservation deposit on it, then see what they say the issue was & see how it runs on the second test drive.

Share some photos or details if you go for it, there are so few around now.

It may be one I looked at or made an offer on... 3 months ago, possible deal to be done.
 
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