General Auto Mk2 Punto gearbox - info needed

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General Auto Mk2 Punto gearbox - info needed

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My wife is interested in a Mk 2 Punto she saw advertised but wasn't sure about the auto box, having only driven manual cars. The model concerned is a 1.2 16 valve and meets a lot of criteria otherwise. Are these gearboxes any good? I can work out what most of the letters mean, but what do 'L' and 'E' do? I'm assuming that moving the stick over to the left (into the slot) turns it into a kind of sequential manual box? (Hence the plus and minus symbols?)

Any info based on user / ownership experience gratefully received, thanks!
 

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I believe "L" is for low, if needed for hills etc. I personally never needed to use it.

Yes, if you shift the gearstick left you can move through the gears in the way you described.
 
My wife is interested in a Mk 2 Punto she saw advertised but wasn't sure about the auto box, having only driven manual cars. The model concerned is a 1.2 16 valve and meets a lot of criteria otherwise. Are these gearboxes any good? I can work out what most of the letters mean, but what do 'L' and 'E' do? I'm assuming that moving the stick over to the left (into the slot) turns it into a kind of sequential manual box? (Hence the plus and minus symbols?)

Any info based on user / ownership experience gratefully received, thanks!

These gearboxes use a computerised system and actuators that very few garages can economically repair. If there is any doubt at all about the gearbox you should think very carefully before buying the car.


You need to drive the car in all driving conditions to ensure the car is not being sold because of the gearbox
 
I believe "L" is for low, if needed for hills etc. I personally never needed to use it.

Yes, if you shift the gearstick left you can move through the gears in the way you described.
Thanks for the reply - what does the 'E' button do? (Economy ratios?).
 
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Thanks for the reply - what does the 'E' button do? (Economy ratios?).
E just short shifts and makes the car slower to accelerate etc which saves fuel so yep, it is just an economy mode. From what I can remember, it also uses 2nd gear to pull away from a stop. Could be useful but looks like your fuel cost savings will go towards a new clutch ;)
 
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That is the CVT gearbox, not a robotised manual, so diagnosis and repair is worse than judderbar suggested.

CVT= Continuously variable transmission
There is a steel belt, running between two pulleys, which can vary in diameter, giving a continuously variable gear ratio. Wonderful when working, frightening if they fail, as there are no repairs to be done, unless you can find a specialist. The manufacturer resisted making parts available, as rebuilding these is very specialist.
The 'L' position causes the box to hold the ratios lower than normal, which is great on steep downhills, fun when accelerating, sometimes useful in slow queues, but noisy and drinks fuel.
'E' as said, causes early upchanges, for economy, not good in busy environments, as following traffic will get angry. Makes little difference to actual fuel used, but does make it sluggish.
Pushing the lever to the left causes the gearbox to select the nearest of 6 pre-set ratios, and when the lever is pushed + or -, causes teh ratio to move to the next of the pre-sets. Fun once, then a waste of time, as the gearbox makes better decisions on its own. Occasionally useful in snow, or slow-moving traffic, where a constant ration is preferable in certain circumstances.

These are getting old now, and nearer death. A low mileage does not mean lots of life left, as lack of use is as bad for them as lots of use. I had one almost new in 2003, loved it, miss it, but wouldn't get another now as it'd be threatening to be a money pit every moment it was operating.

My advice, buy only if it is very cheap, very very cheap indeed, and you can afford to bin it if it breaks. These Mk2s can suffer from rust around the rear of the sills, and the rear subframe mounts and seatbelt mounts, so that needs to be checked too.

There is almost certainly a better car for you, out there somewhere.
 
Yes.. indeed the CVT offers 'high and low' ratios

Personal experience says life expectancy wasnt great..

Confusingly the 188 punto mk2 offered the CVT and a 2nd style of gearbox IIRC

Mk2a auto was CVT, Mk2b, with the larger headlamps, had a choice initially of either the CVT, or an automated manual box. The CVT was then soon dropped, leaving the automated manual only, which we have come to know in later Punto, Panda and 500, to be occasionally troublesome.
 
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