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Plans eh?

I don't know why I bother sometimes.



Right the original plan was to take my Alfa 145 Cloverleaf round the track and build my Cinquecento to go as quick.

Two problems.

1/ As much as I love my 145 she is by no means a hot hatch. In the real world the Cinquecento is almost as quick now so on track stripped out and with double the crazy horses under the bonnet a Panda 100hp powered Cinquecento would pretty much humiliate my Alfa.

2/ I noticed a nice looking green Punto HGT on eBay for a bargain start and instead of getting performance parts for the Cinquecento or MOT stuff I thought I would get the ball rolling for the guy. I was the only bidder in the end.

Still there are worse cars to be accidentally stuck with.



...hang on a minute...



...that's better and that's also how you should clean your vehicle before driving anywhere.







Nice looking, reasonably tidy HGT not in yellow, red/faded pink or blue for rarity sake.



Familiar territory. It's a Bravo HLX engine with VFD written on it.

VFD is Variable Frequency Drive, or in English fly by wire throttle body. More about that later as if I mention it now it will involve swearing.

Time for more usual suspects.



Cloudy headlight plastic with no side light bulbs. I guess it had chav spec leds like innit and they were kept.



Knackered engine mount so those (now) 78,000 miles have probably been tough or it was broken by whoever did the belt change six months ago.



Dirty, rusty, pitted rear brake discs after a two hundred and something mile drive home? Calipers need reconditioning then.

Finally...



...and for comedy sake a factory sub box...



...with a three inch woofer? Glad I listened to Classic FM on the way back from Brighton (via Kent for a mate) my ears would be bleeding from the bass from that monster if I had one of my Hardcore CD's with me.

So the good.

The engine is perky and the car is easily as fast as my Bravo was when she was stripped out.

The bad.

The fly by wire throttle is garbage. What were they thinking? There's an over rev' blip every change up and a noticeable delay no matter what you do with the pedal. It's as if they are using "Internet Explorer 2.0" to run the bloody thing. The ABS is horrid and useless. In the dry it's fine but if you're braking normally in adverse conditions and have full control all of a sudden the ABS kicks in and you are literally not braking at all.

The surprising.

Every single Mk2 Punto I have ever driven has had the same problem. The electronic power steering. At best it's total crap, at worst it is the single most dangerous thing ever put on any car; ever. I have driven all the Mk2 Punto's now and can honestly say the HGT is the best of the bunch. With the others the power steering is like an on/off switch. When negotiating a bend the steering kicks in making the wheel light, due to being under load it moves more than you need it to so instead of a smooth round line you end up taking a tetracontagon one. This is true of most electronic power steering vehicles I have driven including the last generation Porsche 911 so it's not just a Punto thing.

With the HGT I don't know if it's the extra weight of the engine, the wider tyres or bigger brakes increasing rotating mass at the hubs but the steering was pretty okay. A little skippy now and then but nowhere near a bad or dangerous as other vehicles.

No I face the eternal question.

Nice rare car with classic market potential but has track day potential.

Restore or modify?
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Hmmmm...

I'm guessing the ones registered as HGT and HGT 16V are the same but pillock dealers failing their continuity exams.
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Cleaned up pretty well considering the water was freezing as I applied the sponge.

Just need to wait for the weather to turn again so I can get the old bus on ramps to make sure the floor is good and it's just the top mount that needs replacing.
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nice car, gotta do belt change on mine + wheel bearing when summer arrives
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That looks the absolute mutts nuts!! As it's a rare car that's only getting rarer, and seemingly in pretty tidy condition, I'd definitely say restore it, and keep it cherished.

My parents now scrapped W-plate ELX had the subwoofer in the boot, something I was always envious of while I had my 2004 Active, lol!

I must admit, I never thought the PAS system in the mk2 was dangerous, but it must be said, my Grande is a nicer drive than my old mk2b was. Perhaps it's down to the Grande being a lot heavier, as you suggest with your HGT?
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Never as bad as the Vauxhall version. My sister had a Corsa and the steering was sketchy as &$%!

I was giving her driving lessons and I had to grab the wheel half a dozen times to stop her hitting stuff.

When I drove back I had to apologise because it was so crap.
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I thought I would have a laugh today and visit my local Fiat dealership (again) to see how much a new top engine mount for my HGT would be.

177.80 +VAT



They have to sell Renault and Dacia there as well so far as "sense of humor" goes I think it went when I told them the same part was 38 on eBay.
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I thought I would have a laugh today and visit my local Fiat dealership (again) to see how much a new top engine mount for my HGT would be.

177.80 +VAT



They have to sell Renault and Dacia there as well so far as "sense of humor" goes I think it went when I told them the same part was 38 on eBay.
200 squid for 18 year old mount, i would laugh myself out of the shop
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Re: Green HGT

Really nice car you've found there, the HGT was a bit of an "end of an era" engine, along with the 5-pot. Everyone raves about teh Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi, but this must be similarly iconic in its own way. The downside of the HGT was that the Turbodiesel Punto was a quick and considerably more economical.

I'd definitely say keep it standard but fettled, your modding and maintaining skills should be directed at a more deserving project (like the track car).
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The trouble with the HGT was the car was released at the beginning of the hot hatch bhp wars.

Within a month of the HGT 130 hitting the streets Peugeot came up with the 206 GTi 140, the 155hp Alfa 145 Cloverleaf, the Focus ST170, the Clio 172, the 206 GTi 180, Clio 182 and so on, and on; and on...

The sheep bought whatever won pub Top Trumps that week while the HGT stagnated.

Rumors were rife that a Mk2 Punto Turbo was being developed but by the time that was close to prototype the EU set emissions targets beyond the engines capabilities.

Bad news for anyone wanting a Punto HGT turbo (the kit was available for a while) but good news as the SuperFIRE became the T-Jet. The T-Jet was destined for the end of the Mk2B run but Fiat wanted to make the new Grande Punto more salable.

Imagine the t-jet 120 in a 2B Sporting with better brakes, roll bars and 20mm lower suspension. Shame they never made it. Personally I prefer the Mk2B Sporting 1.4 (90hp version of the SuperFIRE) than the later 120 model. I think they look too generic, weigh too much and had lost the Fiatness by then.
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Personally I prefer the Mk2B Sporting 1.4 (90hp version of the SuperFIRE) than the later 120 model. I think they look too generic, weigh too much and had lost the Fiatness by then.
Not quite sure what you mean... I think you maybe mean that there was a Mk2B HGT 1.8 but just with 120HP?

That in itself would be quite a rarity I'd think.
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Still got those headlights buddy?
Yes mate, they are boxed up and everything... once snow has buggered off and the baby is born i'll get them posted. Fear not, they have your name on
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