Tuning 1.4 Grande Punto Engine in a MK2B

[MrChris]

So I have a MK2B 1.4 Sporting, and was wondering if (hypothetically, of course) if the 1.4 engine from a Grande Punto would fit like for like in.

Ideally the 1.4 16V T-Jet engine from the Abarth GP 'SS' model giving 178bhp :yum:

I have no doubt that the cost of one would be very high, but just wondering if it is even worth considering.

And no, it won't cost any more on insurance to do it.


Cheers,
Chris

 

[Ziggy122]

Not with the standard 5 speed gearbox
will need to consider a different gearbox like the 6 speed
OR the Stilo's box which sum1 said a short while ago would fit

And wont the mk2b use a different ECU to the GP?
That'll be the main problem i think to be honest

Ziggy

 

[MrChris]

Not with the standard 5 speed gearbox
will need to consider a different gearbox like the 6 speed
OR the Stilo's box which sum1 said a short while ago would fit

1.4 sporting already has a 6speed

And wont the mk2b use a different ECU to the GP?
That'll be the main problem i think to be honest

Hmm, yeah, replacing ecu is a complete pain in the arse, but would a remap suffice? Or not?

 

[Ziggy122]

thing is - getting the engine to work on the Mk2b ECU might be hard and expensive
And might not work at all
After all they could be 2 different systems

Putting a GP system in a mk2b = Bonkers and not worth doing when the mk2b system is surfice

see if the mk2b ecu will be happy with a GP engine

Mind you tho - there is a 1.4 16v mk2b i believe - not sure what type or if its the same engine or not


Ziggy

 

[MrChris]

It was just an idea, albeit a mad one

Mind you tho - there is a 1.4 16v mk2b i believe - not sure what type or if its the same engine or not

Yeah it's the 1.4 16v engine that I currently have in my mk2b sporting! But it's only 90something bhp! The Abarth SS gets 178 out of the same size engine, that's all. Plus converting an engine to house a turbo is not worth doing, hence why I thought of straight swapping it!

Cheers

 

[Ziggy122]

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=25990
1.4l - 16v mk2b = 95bhp

See if the ECu's are the same or not
and weather or not it'll accept the GP engine

Ziggy

 

[MrChris]

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=25993

That's the sporting - has 6 speed instead of 5.

Will do, thanks for the advice

 

[DaveMcT]

It would have to be engine and gearbox.

It might be the same block but it won be the same engine. Apart from the turbo, everything inside will be different. The electronics will be the kicker. It might need the whole set and loom from the Grande.

Personally, I would rather have the Grande Punto with 178 engine than the bodged (oops) souped up Mk2.

PuntoSales has by far the best option for top performance from a Mk2.

And he had very deep pockets when he started that job.

 

[xFaz]

Hilarious I read this whole thread and thought "what kind of crackpot would actually go through with this, just to obliterate those chavs at the lights", then I see "mrChris"

OF COURSE

Very good idea, but would be so expensive, you'd essentially be dropping the contents, bar interior, of under the bonnet of a 1.4 GP into a different shell, would be just as easy as doing it with any other shell i.e. very hard!

But if you did it... it would be amazing

 

[MrChris]

Apart from the turbo, everything inside will be different.

Apart from the turbo?? The Mk2B 1.4 Sporting doesn't have a turbo, [does it??]

Apart from the turbo, everything inside will be different.PuntoSales has by far the best option for top performance from a Mk2.

I'll have a look, as I say, it was just a mad idea that came to me when I read my insurance certificate!

 

[DaveMcT]

Apart from the turbo?? The Mk2B 1.4 Sporting doesn't have a turbo, [does it??]

The Sporting 1.4 makes about 90bhp and has no turbo. The Original Post was about the 1.4 Turbo used in the latest Grande Punto.

IMHO the only way to go for ultimate power in a small car is a large bike engine, but it wont be civilised evem slightly. The bike will probably be comfortable than the heavily modded car. And cost is huge - a brand new Grande Punto Multiair turbo is probably cheaper.

 

[MrChris]

Yeah, I now see that it would be a ridiculously stupid idea, thanks. I won't be doing that!!

Cheers

 

[DaveMcT]

Not ridiculously stupid just very much not financially viable.

For some thing way out with style get a Lancia Stratos replica. Total cost about £20K but a genuine Stratos is from £200K and the replica is actually better than the original. I often get flamed for mentioning Lancia on the Punto section but some folks forget (or dont know) the Stratos was a Fiat parts bin special.

Just avoid the super fat tyre version. That was designed for sticky race slicks & would be a nightmare on the road with no grip.

 

[Ziggy122]

As i know it
lancia was the basis for fiat wasn't it?

I always think lancia - fiat - Alfa

Ziggy

 

[DaveMcT]

Fiat bought controlling interests in Lancia and Ferrari in 1969. But they allowed Lancia to operate separately but have access to Fiats capital and parts. They bought Alfa Romeo in 1986.

Lancia was the nutter manufacturer great ideas but as a result tended to break all too easily so they struggled. But they have been brought back as the executive brand though for a long while were pretty much a badge product.

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PS the typewriter company mentioned is Olivetti.

 

[nandojem]

Guys, I am sitting with the same dilemma now. I have the GP engine 1.4 t jet and engine ecu to buy. I would've like to install it in the 1.8 hgt. Instead of putting heads together and figuring it out how it may work, we normally get unproductive replies and comments.
Looking at the GP 1.4 t jet, it seems to have all the electrics (2 door windows, audio controls on the steering wheel, etc.), abs, esp,etc like the Punto 1.8 hgt. So what if I also got the body computer, wiring looms from the GP and wired it into the electrics of the Hgt, thus removing the Hgt body computer, with the help of both cars wiring diagrams. The GP body computer will then control all these electrical functions or most and the engine ecu will manage the engine.

Anyone might say why invest money into this, but there is a first for everything.

 

[Ziggy122]

Its ALOT of work - And its not just the wiring loom - its all the sensors and the GP has to have the same Spec as the mk2b

Ie mk2b has abs and airbags
the GP has Traction Control abs and Extra airbags, the Wiring loom wont be enough, the Warning lights would all come on

And Changing a wiring loom is ALOT of work, its not just lights and stuff, its the radio the fans the Steering coloum. the dash, the central locking
Really what im saying is this
You want a 1.4 GP engine, get a 1.4 GP

Swapping the engine over is expensive - worth more then the car - Road Tax / Insurance will most likely Increase, and at the end of the day? you've still got a Punto really

Ziggy

 

[MrChris]

I was under the impression that the 1.4 GP engine is exactly the same as the 1.4 in the 2B Sporting?

 

[DaveMcT]

The engine might be the same but the electronics and cabling wont be the same. Folks have hit problems fitting later model 8V Punto engines into cars 2 years only younger and found they could not get the ECU to work as it should. Common sense says that should be a no brainer conversion but it turns out to be different.