get it RR'd
will do mate
going to custom make me own induction kit first then i will be doing...and i will be doing a RR test after remap aswel do you know any good preferably cheap places to get RR tests done in bradford/leeds area?
cheers bud
Tuning Brin's Lethal induction thread
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will do mate
going to custom make me own induction kit first then i will be doing...and i will be doing a RR test after remap aswel do you know any good preferably cheap places to get RR tests done in bradford/leeds area?
cheers bud
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
Why don't you go for a GSR induction kit and the same person who supply's them, does remaps too.
Why don't you go for a GSR induction kit and the same person who supply's them, does remaps too.
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
dont like GSR...thats all il say il keep my opinions about them and the people who make them to meself
id rather custom make me own induction kit mate...i can get remaps done from anywhere really all for simular prices aswel
dont like GSR...thats all il say il keep my opinions about them and the people who make them to meself
id rather custom make me own induction kit mate...i can get remaps done from anywhere really all for simular prices aswel
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
sound like u heard the same thing as me
dont like GSR...thats all il say il keep my opinions about them and the people who make them to meself
sound like u heard the same thing as me
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
iirc then were all moshers and emos
as for the remap you wanner go to a place with a good reputation otherwise you could end up with all kinds of problems
dont like GSR...thats all il say il keep my opinions about them and the people who make them to meself
id rather custom make me own induction kit mate...i can get remaps done from anywhere really all for simular prices aswel
iirc then were all moshers and emos
as for the remap you wanner go to a place with a good reputation otherwise you could end up with all kinds of problems
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
You can't talk, you have a K&N 57i, one of the worst designed intake kits ever designed for the punto mate.
dont like GSR...thats all il say il keep my opinions about them and the people who make them to meself
id rather custom make me own induction kit mate...i can get remaps done from anywhere really all for simular prices aswel
You can't talk, you have a K&N 57i, one of the worst designed intake kits ever designed for the punto mate.
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Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
yh as to why im getting rid of it...it aint worst, the filter is actually very good quality just not in a great position thats all...but then again it would be too pricy for K&N to produce a typhoon series indution kit for the 1.2 8v basic model as not many would sell for the price they would be sold at mate
GSR is the only off the shelf induction that routes to the cold air thats the only reason people say there the best because no other companys have tryed to make a kit the routes to the bumpers probly because like i say its a basic 1.2 8v punto and for the price they would go for not manuy would buy.
You can't talk, you have a K&N 57i, one of the worst designed intake kits ever designed for the punto mate.
yh as to why im getting rid of it...it aint worst, the filter is actually very good quality just not in a great position thats all...but then again it would be too pricy for K&N to produce a typhoon series indution kit for the 1.2 8v basic model as not many would sell for the price they would be sold at mate
GSR is the only off the shelf induction that routes to the cold air thats the only reason people say there the best because no other companys have tryed to make a kit the routes to the bumpers probly because like i say its a basic 1.2 8v punto and for the price they would go for not manuy would buy.
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
so surely if it's the only off the shelf induction kit that routes to cold air then it is the best, and im sure gsr makes a nice amount of money from them because they still do them and i believe theres a waiting list for them just think of the amount of people on this forum and puntomk2 especially that have them
also if you look at the threads of people that have custom made them (alexh365) then its not as easy as most people would like so they just buy the gsr whats the point in buying an induction kit if its not going to improve performance
so surely if it's the only off the shelf induction kit that routes to cold air then it is the best, and im sure gsr makes a nice amount of money from them because they still do them and i believe theres a waiting list for them just think of the amount of people on this forum and puntomk2 especially that have them
also if you look at the threads of people that have custom made them (alexh365) then its not as easy as most people would like so they just buy the gsr whats the point in buying an induction kit if its not going to improve performance
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
you're right, theres nothing wrong with K&N filters themselves, just the design of the "kit".
Sorry but you know nothing about the GSR kit. The length and bore of the pipe, and the graduated changes were researched and developed on a dyno and a one-piece silicone hose made with no steps or joins in (to minimize turbulence) to get the maximum an intake could offer.
It wasnt just thrown together. (like you seem to want to do yourself)
Oh and notice how there isnt a single other company that produces one-peice silicone intakes with the complexity of the GSR kit - because it's labour intensive and VERY hard to make a profit and keep a resonable price at the same time.
Fair enough, they are well pricey to buy new and if I were in your shoes I'd be getting a focus kit instead. BUT, I'd also be on the lookout for a s/h one for around £100 because they are simply the best on the market, end of.
Im only ranting because you dont seem to understand WHY they are so expensive. But yeah, make your own by all means, just dont kid yourself it will be as good as the GSR kit.
you're right, theres nothing wrong with K&N filters themselves, just the design of the "kit".
Sorry but you know nothing about the GSR kit. The length and bore of the pipe, and the graduated changes were researched and developed on a dyno and a one-piece silicone hose made with no steps or joins in (to minimize turbulence) to get the maximum an intake could offer.
It wasnt just thrown together. (like you seem to want to do yourself)
Oh and notice how there isnt a single other company that produces one-peice silicone intakes with the complexity of the GSR kit - because it's labour intensive and VERY hard to make a profit and keep a resonable price at the same time.
Fair enough, they are well pricey to buy new and if I were in your shoes I'd be getting a focus kit instead. BUT, I'd also be on the lookout for a s/h one for around £100 because they are simply the best on the market, end of.
Im only ranting because you dont seem to understand WHY they are so expensive. But yeah, make your own by all means, just dont kid yourself it will be as good as the GSR kit.
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
Well said.
Ive been down the route of custom induction. made a kit very similar to the GSR one and it didnt produce the same gains as the GSR kit
for the parts to make a custom kit, your looking at about £90 ish, for an extra few £ you can pick up a GSR kit
Well said.
Ive been down the route of custom induction. made a kit very similar to the GSR one and it didnt produce the same gains as the GSR kit
for the parts to make a custom kit, your looking at about £90 ish, for an extra few £ you can pick up a GSR kit
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
not really, 4 pieces of silicone with 90 degree bends are about £15 each, then with joiners a T piece, clips and a filter, it works out about that price
not really, 4 pieces of silicone with 90 degree bends are about £15 each, then with joiners a T piece, clips and a filter, it works out about that price
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
mine would have cost no where near that if i had used a cone filter on it
mine would have cost no where near that if i had used a cone filter on it
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
I can't beleive we're arguing about the relative merits of ANY induction kit on a 1.2?
I would wager that ANY gains will be measured in fractions of bhp.....
I understand that people want to wring every last ounce of power out of an engine - but you'd achieve a better power to weight ratio by removing all the leds out of the footwell than what any induction kit is likely to offer
Love the Alfa seats though - save your efforts to the cosmetics and leave any hunt for bits of power until you've got an engine worth trying to get extra power from :slayer:
I can't beleive we're arguing about the relative merits of ANY induction kit on a 1.2?
I would wager that ANY gains will be measured in fractions of bhp.....
I understand that people want to wring every last ounce of power out of an engine - but you'd achieve a better power to weight ratio by removing all the leds out of the footwell than what any induction kit is likely to offer
Love the Alfa seats though - save your efforts to the cosmetics and leave any hunt for bits of power until you've got an engine worth trying to get extra power from :slayer:
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
Next time you comment could you do some research first, instead of just spouting crap?
Its been well proven on several dynos the increases with a properly designed intake it - even the cheap ebay "focus" kit raises torque through most of the range by 2-3 lb-ft. Cant remember what most people have gained with GSR but i think its 5-6 lb-ft, enough to feel when driving anyways.
Its up to the individual as to whether it's worth the £150+ price new, or not.
I can't beleive we're arguing about the relative merits of ANY induction kit on a 1.2?
I would wager that ANY gains will be measured in fractions of bhp.....
I understand that people want to wring every last ounce of power out of an engine - but you'd achieve a better power to weight ratio by removing all the leds out of the footwell than what any induction kit is likely to offer
Love the Alfa seats though - save your efforts to the cosmetics and leave any hunt for bits of power until you've got an engine worth trying to get extra power from :slayer:
Next time you comment could you do some research first, instead of just spouting crap?
Its been well proven on several dynos the increases with a properly designed intake it - even the cheap ebay "focus" kit raises torque through most of the range by 2-3 lb-ft. Cant remember what most people have gained with GSR but i think its 5-6 lb-ft, enough to feel when driving anyways.
Its up to the individual as to whether it's worth the £150+ price new, or not.
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
agreed...dyno tests are proof tbh cnt get much better...if it says it on there must be true...but well its up to me if i choose to use one or not for what ever reason
BTW added another decal...i really am **** at applying these they wont come off the backing paper and oh well they going a bit bent lmao
agreed...dyno tests are proof tbh cnt get much better...if it says it on there must be true...but well its up to me if i choose to use one or not for what ever reason
BTW added another decal...i really am **** at applying these they wont come off the backing paper and oh well they going a bit bent lmao
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
LOL - 2-3 lb/ft torque increases based on what starting figure? 150? 100? Plucking figures out of the air like that means nothing.
Most induction kits, regardless of the claims, are as likely to reduce 'power' as increase it - either because they negatively impact the intake pressure or flow, or draw in warm air from the engine.
But leaving that aside, and even leaving out the fact that OEM air intakes are researched rather heavily in the first instance, what we're talking about are the sorts of mods that come WAAAAAY down the food chain in terms of delivering any actual significant power.
A decent service will offer as much improvement as most induction kits.
Taking out the back seats (or the half tonne of 'banging tunes' subs in the boot) will offer a far greater increase in power to weight ratio.
Using the expensive unleaded fuel, rather than the standard stuff, will have more of an effect in isolation.
Sure, if you've got the right cam, had all the head flowing done, got a blueprinted bottom end, maybe had a remap or are running a bespoke fuel delivery system, are running a catless decent full system tuned to give the best flow, then I'm sure a decent air intake system will eek out a few more numbers...
But on a 1.2??
Face it guys - it'll make a 'nice' noise - it might make you feel as though there's a bit more power, it'll give you something shiney to show your mates - but, sadly, in the majority of cases you'll have spent a rather large wedge of cash for very little gain....
If you wanted to do something that did actually produce a benefit, I'd recommend a replacement panel filter in the original airbox.....
I have nowt to gain or lose by any of this, but these sorts of discussions only serve to perpetuate the myth that these rather insignificant 'mods' make a significant difference - when they simply don't.
LOL - 2-3 lb/ft torque increases based on what starting figure? 150? 100? Plucking figures out of the air like that means nothing.
Most induction kits, regardless of the claims, are as likely to reduce 'power' as increase it - either because they negatively impact the intake pressure or flow, or draw in warm air from the engine.
But leaving that aside, and even leaving out the fact that OEM air intakes are researched rather heavily in the first instance, what we're talking about are the sorts of mods that come WAAAAAY down the food chain in terms of delivering any actual significant power.
A decent service will offer as much improvement as most induction kits.
Taking out the back seats (or the half tonne of 'banging tunes' subs in the boot) will offer a far greater increase in power to weight ratio.
Using the expensive unleaded fuel, rather than the standard stuff, will have more of an effect in isolation.
Sure, if you've got the right cam, had all the head flowing done, got a blueprinted bottom end, maybe had a remap or are running a bespoke fuel delivery system, are running a catless decent full system tuned to give the best flow, then I'm sure a decent air intake system will eek out a few more numbers...
But on a 1.2??
Face it guys - it'll make a 'nice' noise - it might make you feel as though there's a bit more power, it'll give you something shiney to show your mates - but, sadly, in the majority of cases you'll have spent a rather large wedge of cash for very little gain....
If you wanted to do something that did actually produce a benefit, I'd recommend a replacement panel filter in the original airbox.....
I have nowt to gain or lose by any of this, but these sorts of discussions only serve to perpetuate the myth that these rather insignificant 'mods' make a significant difference - when they simply don't.
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
k&n induction air filter not too sure was a long time ago £70 i think but cant remember about a year old now lol
The brakes was painted with "very high temperature paint" can get that from any local motoring shops...dont use the stuff ina tin from halfords its awful runs like hell and takes ages to dry then cracks...just use the rattle can stuff and a clear coat of laquer to give them a nice long lasting shine
engine bay i did with halford red engine bay paint but thats same as the tin stuff and isnt very good tbh cracking all over need a good respray now
gotta agree with you if you want major performance buy a better car its only a 1.2 8v at end of the day and nothing will give major power increases unless you turbo and NOS it but can be costly and take time if done yourself isnt really worth the money but as a project would be great to do just to pass time when your bord
tbh i only mod my car because i get bord not bothered whats best performance gains its all a learning curve for me try and learn by mistakes and have fun doing it...passes time when im bord and keeps me out of trouble lmao and at end of it all have to say gives great satisfaction to know iv made me car meself
although i have to say me full straight through de-cat system and bored throttle and inlet has made a noticeable difference doesnt mean that its a rocket just makes enough of a difference to notice on a small engine might of squeezed an extra 2BHP or so lmao BTW subs are pointless they just weigh the car down and rear seats dont weight much tbh...the front seats way a heel of a lot
now stop cmmenting about induction kits and all that im sick of hearing it any comment i make gets a life story thrown at me lol
k&n induction air filter not too sure was a long time ago £70 i think but cant remember about a year old now lol
The brakes was painted with "very high temperature paint" can get that from any local motoring shops...dont use the stuff ina tin from halfords its awful runs like hell and takes ages to dry then cracks...just use the rattle can stuff and a clear coat of laquer to give them a nice long lasting shine
engine bay i did with halford red engine bay paint but thats same as the tin stuff and isnt very good tbh cracking all over need a good respray now
LOL - 2-3 lb/ft torque increases based on what starting figure? 150? 100? Plucking figures out of the air like that means nothing.
Most induction kits, regardless of the claims, are as likely to reduce 'power' as increase it - either because they negatively impact the intake pressure or flow, or draw in warm air from the engine.
But leaving that aside, and even leaving out the fact that OEM air intakes are researched rather heavily in the first instance, what we're talking about are the sorts of mods that come WAAAAAY down the food chain in terms of delivering any actual significant power.
A decent service will offer as much improvement as most induction kits.
Taking out the back seats (or the half tonne of 'banging tunes' subs in the boot) will offer a far greater increase in power to weight ratio.
Using the expensive unleaded fuel, rather than the standard stuff, will have more of an effect in isolation.
Sure, if you've got the right cam, had all the head flowing done, got a blueprinted bottom end, maybe had a remap or are running a bespoke fuel delivery system, are running a catless decent full system tuned to give the best flow, then I'm sure a decent air intake system will eek out a few more numbers...
But on a 1.2??
Face it guys - it'll make a 'nice' noise - it might make you feel as though there's a bit more power, it'll give you something shiney to show your mates - but, sadly, in the majority of cases you'll have spent a rather large wedge of cash for very little gain....
If you wanted to do something that did actually produce a benefit, I'd recommend a replacement panel filter in the original airbox.....
I have nowt to gain or lose by any of this, but these sorts of discussions only serve to perpetuate the myth that these rather insignificant 'mods' make a significant difference - when they simply don't.
gotta agree with you if you want major performance buy a better car its only a 1.2 8v at end of the day and nothing will give major power increases unless you turbo and NOS it but can be costly and take time if done yourself isnt really worth the money but as a project would be great to do just to pass time when your bord
tbh i only mod my car because i get bord not bothered whats best performance gains its all a learning curve for me try and learn by mistakes and have fun doing it...passes time when im bord and keeps me out of trouble lmao and at end of it all have to say gives great satisfaction to know iv made me car meself
although i have to say me full straight through de-cat system and bored throttle and inlet has made a noticeable difference doesnt mean that its a rocket just makes enough of a difference to notice on a small engine might of squeezed an extra 2BHP or so lmao BTW subs are pointless they just weigh the car down and rear seats dont weight much tbh...the front seats way a heel of a lot
now stop cmmenting about induction kits and all that im sick of hearing it any comment i make gets a life story thrown at me lol
Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
Well done for spending time writing complete and utter bullsh!t
wow, so across the board, "all induction kits are rubbish" so you obviously have never seen proof of gains then.
Im not going to do the work for you, but if you pulled your head out of your arse and actually looked at some of the more prominent fiat tuners and the results people have got from different induction kits etc, on different dynos, then maybe you would realise what you just said is crap. I didnt just pull those figures from my head And its not as if I haven't tried all these things myself before turning to turbos and standalone ECU setups, so i kinda know what im talking about.
YES, we all know 3-4 bhp isnt much, but its a measurable gain and is enough to make a SMALL noticable difference on a 60bhp engine. Like I said. Of course, you need to service the engine etc properly, this should be taken for granted...
LOL - 2-3 lb/ft torque increases based on what starting figure? 150? 100? Plucking figures out of the air like that means nothing.
Most induction kits, regardless of the claims, are as likely to reduce 'power' as increase it - either because they negatively impact the intake pressure or flow, or draw in warm air from the engine.
But leaving that aside, and even leaving out the fact that OEM air intakes are researched rather heavily in the first instance, what we're talking about are the sorts of mods that come WAAAAAY down the food chain in terms of delivering any actual significant power.
A decent service will offer as much improvement as most induction kits.
Taking out the back seats (or the half tonne of 'banging tunes' subs in the boot) will offer a far greater increase in power to weight ratio.
Using the expensive unleaded fuel, rather than the standard stuff, will have more of an effect in isolation.
Sure, if you've got the right cam, had all the head flowing done, got a blueprinted bottom end, maybe had a remap or are running a bespoke fuel delivery system, are running a catless decent full system tuned to give the best flow, then I'm sure a decent air intake system will eek out a few more numbers...
But on a 1.2??
Face it guys - it'll make a 'nice' noise - it might make you feel as though there's a bit more power, it'll give you something shiney to show your mates - but, sadly, in the majority of cases you'll have spent a rather large wedge of cash for very little gain....
If you wanted to do something that did actually produce a benefit, I'd recommend a replacement panel filter in the original airbox.....
I have nowt to gain or lose by any of this, but these sorts of discussions only serve to perpetuate the myth that these rather insignificant 'mods' make a significant difference - when they simply don't.
Well done for spending time writing complete and utter bullsh!t
wow, so across the board, "all induction kits are rubbish" so you obviously have never seen proof of gains then.
Im not going to do the work for you, but if you pulled your head out of your arse and actually looked at some of the more prominent fiat tuners and the results people have got from different induction kits etc, on different dynos, then maybe you would realise what you just said is crap. I didnt just pull those figures from my head
And its not as if I haven't tried all these things myself before turning to turbos and standalone ECU setups, so i kinda know what im talking about.YES, we all know 3-4 bhp isnt much, but its a measurable gain and is enough to make a SMALL noticable difference on a 60bhp engine. Like I said. Of course, you need to service the engine etc properly, this should be taken for granted...
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Re: Brin's Lethal Black Punto.
Right - some quantifyable figures at least...
3-4 bhp on a 60 bhp engine?
That's about 5%. If you knew as much about tuning as you claim, you'd also know that changes of those sorts of % were only noticeable as a loss .....
It still doesn't alter the fact that such minimal gains (if there's any gains at all) for such a big outlay should be right at the bottom of any upgrade list.
Next you'll be telling me that these overpriced HT leads and spark plugs make a difference too.
I've been heavily involved in tuning cars and vans for over 25 years. I don't pretend to know all that much, but I do know what works, and what is just marketing hype.......
Right - some quantifyable figures at least...
3-4 bhp on a 60 bhp engine?
That's about 5%. If you knew as much about tuning as you claim, you'd also know that changes of those sorts of % were only noticeable as a loss .....
It still doesn't alter the fact that such minimal gains (if there's any gains at all) for such a big outlay should be right at the bottom of any upgrade list.
Next you'll be telling me that these overpriced HT leads and spark plugs make a difference too.
I've been heavily involved in tuning cars and vans for over 25 years. I don't pretend to know all that much, but I do know what works, and what is just marketing hype.......
