MK2 JTD, whats its engine specs? speed, 0-60 etc.
General Punto JTD Question
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General Punto JTD Question
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Production: 03 May 2002 until 09 Aug 2003
Length: 3800 mm
Width: 1660 mm
Height: 1480 mm
Weight: 1040 kg
Fuel Delivery: Turbo direct injection
Transmission: Manual
Gears: 5 Speed
Engine Size: 1910 cc
Cylinders: 4
0-60 mph: 11.8 s
Power Output: 85 bhp
Valves: 8
Torque: 196 Nm
Top Speed: 106 mph
MPG: 57
Insurance Group: 6
Euro Emissions Standard: 3
CO2 Emissions: 130 g/km
Not very impressive on paper but I bet it would shift. Would be rapid after a remap aswell
Swapping the Stilo? Just look at the mpg........
(Info from www.parkers.co.uk)
Length: 3800 mm
Width: 1660 mm
Height: 1480 mm
Weight: 1040 kg
Fuel Delivery: Turbo direct injection
Transmission: Manual
Gears: 5 Speed
Engine Size: 1910 cc
Cylinders: 4
0-60 mph: 11.8 s
Power Output: 85 bhp
Valves: 8
Torque: 196 Nm
Top Speed: 106 mph
MPG: 57
Insurance Group: 6
Euro Emissions Standard: 3
CO2 Emissions: 130 g/km
Not very impressive on paper but I bet it would shift. Would be rapid after a remap aswell
Swapping the Stilo? Just look at the mpg........
(Info from www.parkers.co.uk)
Stiloboy, why in the world would you need a diesel?! It would take you 28 years of constant driving to get you money back
JTD Monkey
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Just to add to the impressive list of information, all Mk2 Puntos with 'ELX' or 'HLX' specification have 80bhp @ 3000rpm. When they changed the specification to 'Dynamic' or 'Eleganza' the power was increased to 85bhp @ 3500rpm. Maximum torquoe of 196nm (145 lb/ft) is produced at 1500rpm.
And yes, the stats may not look brilliant, but on the road it really can shift
And yes, the stats may not look brilliant, but on the road it really can shift
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I was curious 'cos some berk in a Silver one tried to race me yesterday, first he tried to undertake me, and failed, then he tried to beat me away from the turnstiles at the Forth bridge and failed! Yeah he "edged" a lead! Just, but he was so concerned with getting infront he never realised i had a clear run up the inside! Bawbag. And 'cos my sis was in the car i never spanked it, only took it to 5k rpm.
Of course someone will suddenly assume it was Knackered, or the guy wasn't really racing, but what do i care what you lot think, his car was clean, it was smoking, and he had a look in his eye like a man possessed, and he lost!
Just, but he was so concerned with getting infront he never realised i had a clear run up the inside! Bawbag. And 'cos my sis was in the car i never spanked it, only took it to 5k rpm.Of course someone will suddenly assume it was Knackered, or the guy wasn't really racing, but what do i care what you lot think, his car was clean, it was smoking, and he had a look in his eye like a man possessed, and he lost!
Your car 0-60 is above 13 seconds. His is below 11 seconds. His is a diesel, yours a petrol, his has oodles more torque than your 1.2 and could probs pull away from you in 3rd whilst you rev in 2nd.
So no, he wasn't trying!!!
So no, he wasn't trying!!!
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Stilo 1.2:
Engine Size: 1242 cc
Cylinders: 4
0-60 mph: 13.0 s
Power Output: 80 bhp
Valves: 16
Torque: 114 Nm
Top Speed: 107 mph
He obviously couldnt drive then
Engine Size: 1242 cc
Cylinders: 4
0-60 mph: 13.0 s
Power Output: 80 bhp
Valves: 16
Torque: 114 Nm
Top Speed: 107 mph
He obviously couldnt drive then
It has double the torque and weighs a lot less!
Edit, misread, JTD time 0-60 was sub 12 seconds. It would beat you off the line to 60 then but it would clearly have you one all of the other speeds such as 60-90mph (not that this should be done).
Edit, misread, JTD time 0-60 was sub 12 seconds. It would beat you off the line to 60 then but it would clearly have you one all of the other speeds such as 60-90mph (not that this should be done).
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The Negotiator said:
What......ever!
I was doing 75mph when he tried to undertake me, he didnt get passed, HE WAS TRYING! Kiss ma hairy bawbag!
No cheers
The figures speak for themselves and I need not say more.
The figures speak for themselves and I need not say more.
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Stiloboy, it could have been the 60bhp gutless diesel that was trying to race you
Was it an older mk2?
Was it an older mk2?
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Well i didn't hear it clattering along like a diesel, i also didn't see clouds of black reek coming out the exhaust. But i was able to stay with him, and to my ammusement i spotted the JTD badge on the bootlid. 03 plate car.
He was definately going for it, you can tell these things when someone races you! He also didn't look best pleased he could beat me, although with my Abarth badge on the back i assume he thought he was racing a proper Abarth! I like the Sheep in wolfs clothing look, cos when you do win and slow down and the bloke you've just tanned see's you've got plastic wheel trims its always humerous.
My 17's will one day get the tyres they deserve and then be fitted.
He was definately going for it, you can tell these things when someone races you! He also didn't look best pleased he could beat me, although with my Abarth badge on the back i assume he thought he was racing a proper Abarth! I like the Sheep in wolfs clothing look, cos when you do win and slow down and the bloke you've just tanned see's you've got plastic wheel trims its always humerous.
My 17's will one day get the tyres they deserve and then be fitted.
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Ok fair enough I believe you then. But he must have still been running the engine in.....
I hate the sheep in wolfs clothing look to mine, much prefer the otherway round and thats exactly what im going to have with my next car
I believe you then. But he must have still been running the engine in..... I hate the sheep in wolfs clothing look to mine, much prefer the otherway round and thats exactly what im going to have with my next car
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Running it on on an 03 plate, jesus i've got 17,000 miles on my 53 plate now!
Not normally to fussed about the, my cars quicker than your's posts, but I can't resist this one !!
I drive a 2000 plate Mk2 JTD and it's bog standard, it pulls to 120mph and cruises at 90 at just under 3000 RPM.... And it doesn't smoke.....
Can't think what you had an encounter with, but it wasn't my JTD !!!
I drive a 2000 plate Mk2 JTD and it's bog standard, it pulls to 120mph and cruises at 90 at just under 3000 RPM.... And it doesn't smoke.....
Can't think what you had an encounter with, but it wasn't my JTD !!!
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From your description, I suspect he was trying to red-line it in each gear, which is not the way to drive a diesel to get best performance (or get anywhere near the 0-60 time of 12.2 secs.).
Best was is to change-up in the JTD is at 3-3500rpm and surf the torque. If you change-up at 4500rpm all you get is noise, smoke and no action.
Having driven a Stilo 1.6 shortly before I got the Punto JTD (I would assume the 1.6 Stilo is quicker than the 1.2 Stilo ), the Stilo felt like a slug, only really beginning to feel alive at 90-odd mph. In comparrison the Punto JTD feels electric!
When I had a Punto 1.2 8v courtesy car a while ago I mentioned to the service receptionist that it was painfully slow and his answer was 'Try the Stilo 1.2, it makes the Punto 8v feel quick'.
Diesels need to be driven properly to get the best performance from them, which is not red-line-exhaust-smoke style...
A while ago, by driving properly I managed to keep-up with a Skoda Fabia vRS with the 130bhp 1.9TDI engine because he was clearly red-lining it all the time. If it was being driven properly I would have been left for dead (I wasn't trying to race, I jusy wanted to see how much quicker he was than me and he took it as a race )
As much as the Stilo 1.2 16v is a nice car, it will get nowhere near a well driven JTD Punto (and that, my friend, is a fact...)
Best was is to change-up in the JTD is at 3-3500rpm and surf the torque. If you change-up at 4500rpm all you get is noise, smoke and no action.
Having driven a Stilo 1.6 shortly before I got the Punto JTD (I would assume the 1.6 Stilo is quicker than the 1.2 Stilo
), the Stilo felt like a slug, only really beginning to feel alive at 90-odd mph. In comparrison the Punto JTD feels electric!When I had a Punto 1.2 8v courtesy car a while ago I mentioned to the service receptionist that it was painfully slow and his answer was 'Try the Stilo 1.2, it makes the Punto 8v feel quick'.
Diesels need to be driven properly to get the best performance from them, which is not red-line-exhaust-smoke style...
A while ago, by driving properly I managed to keep-up with a Skoda Fabia vRS with the 130bhp 1.9TDI engine because he was clearly red-lining it all the time. If it was being driven properly I would have been left for dead (I wasn't trying to race, I jusy wanted to see how much quicker he was than me and he took it as a race
)As much as the Stilo 1.2 16v is a nice car, it will get nowhere near a well driven JTD Punto (and that, my friend, is a fact...)
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12.2 secs to 60 for the JTD, but thats only 1 sec quicker than 1.2. So how can you say the JTD is fast and the 1.2 Stilo is slow. No wonder i stayed with him, even over a vast distance it would take him ages to pull out any kind of gap.
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As I said, though, the Punto JTD is quicker in the real world than the 1.6 Stilo I drove, however the Stilo is clocked doing 0-60 much quicker than my car. This is for 2 reasons:
1) Diesels have a narrow power band. In this band they do their best work (turbo diesels in particular, destroying the petrol equivalent) but they run out of puff early. Diesel cars are not naturally gifted in acceleration (even the best turbo diesels can only go to about 5000rpm) from 0 mph jaunts as 1st gear often has no real use other than to start you moving. For standing start acceleration, power and the ability to rev are important. Diesels tend not to have the ability to rev.
2) In the real world (i.e. when we are not all doing full-bore 0-60 runs) a turbocharged engine (and a TD in particular) will get much better 'in-gear' acceleration. Despite the fact your gearing is low (which aids acceleration) in comparrison to a diesel, try doing 40-70mph in 4th gear against a JTD Punto and you will be nowhere to be seen.
At least you can comfort yourself with the knowledge your driving was better than the other chaps , but if he had driven properly (i.e. changed-up early dispite this feeling like the unnatural thing to do) you wouldn't have seen him for dust. (Dust, anybody? Dust, andybody?)
1) Diesels have a narrow power band. In this band they do their best work (turbo diesels in particular, destroying the petrol equivalent) but they run out of puff early. Diesel cars are not naturally gifted in acceleration (even the best turbo diesels can only go to about 5000rpm) from 0 mph jaunts as 1st gear often has no real use other than to start you moving. For standing start acceleration, power and the ability to rev are important. Diesels tend not to have the ability to rev.
2) In the real world (i.e. when we are not all doing full-bore 0-60 runs) a turbocharged engine (and a TD in particular) will get much better 'in-gear' acceleration. Despite the fact your gearing is low (which aids acceleration) in comparrison to a diesel, try doing 40-70mph in 4th gear against a JTD Punto and you will be nowhere to be seen.
At least you can comfort yourself with the knowledge your driving was better than the other chaps
, but if he had driven properly (i.e. changed-up early dispite this feeling like the unnatural thing to do) you wouldn't have seen him for dust. (Dust, anybody? Dust, andybody?)
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But if i was racing a Punto JTD why would i want to sit in 4th gear when i could out gun the bloke in 3rd gear, when his JTD runs out of puff at 4500rpm in 3rd and is grabbing for 4th!
He would be gone leaving you far behind.
