Technical Engine running rough, EML on and off, loss of power etc.

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Ok.

Thought I'd sorted this (several times) but it keeps coming back. Difference is my girlfriend is driving the car now, not me, and she's not as confident as me with the car.

Basically the fault manifests as a lack of power below 2000 rpm. There's basically nothing there until the engine reaches 2000rpm, feels like a misfire (which is also there at idle every now and then) Above 2000 she's fine, and there's quite a kick in the rear when you pass 2000 rpm, almost like a hugely laggy turbo.

Anyway, what have I done?

Over the past year I have replaced the coil packs, twice (second time FOC) new plugs, new lambda.

Now an interesting twist, she only seems to misbehave when it's wet, which suggests some kind of damp earth fault, but all connectors I can find are heavily WD40'd and show no sign of corrosion.

Does anyone recognise this set of symptoms? I am thinking possibly ECU, but how do I tell? I've plugged her in to the Fiat software, and I get an error code that supposedly means cylinder 12 misfire. Now they kept cylinders 5 to 12 a big secret! ;)

Another interesting symptom is that the engine management light (red with an ! in the middle of 2 circles) comes on when you brake to a low speed, or for an extended period, or go down a hill using engine braking. As I understand it the ECU should shut off fuelling when engine braking is being used, so is this an ECU fault reporting an engine fault (misfire maybe) in error as the fuelling is turned off and so resistance in the cylinder is different?

Is there anyone around Newbury way who can test ECU's and let me know if it's the fault for a sensible price, and maybe repair it if it is?
 
Hi mate :)

I'm going to go over your post again but I just felt I had to reply quickly about one thing in your post. The red light with an exclamation mark in it is your brake fluid/hand brake warning light. You need to double check your brake fluid ASAP mate.

Right, going to read the rest of it now (y)
 
Right, as far as the engine fault is concerned, you could try what i've heard others trying and that's to run the engine in the dark with the bonnet open and you may see some HT related sparks especially if its wet and damp. If so, may well be time for some new leads and plugs while your at it (y)

Good luck mate.

EDIT: Didn't see you'd changed your plugs already lol, ignore me.
 
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Cheers Shaun.

I've got new HT leads, though the ones on there aren't overly old (I think, I'm fairly sure I replaced them about 3 years ago anyway! :S) I'll stick those on and see if it helps.

The warning light has been a problem for a while. I thought it was hand brake being loose, but I tightened it and it still does it.
 
Pretty sure it'll be your brake fluid then mate (y)

The fluid level's ok though, I checked today. I can't remember the last time I bled them, I'll have a go at that when I get a chance (i.e. when I have a spare leg to press the brake pedal!)
 
Dragging this one up to the top again, as I'm now seriously p####d off with the f#####g car! I've done all of the above, and with brand new leads, I am getting a misfire. I know what's causing it, the coil pack is arcing onto the block. I covered one of the poles with insulating tape, which stopped that one from arcing, but now it's the other one arcing. What would cause it to arc to the engine in preference to sparking across the plug?

I'll pull the plugs and check gaps, but they are fairly recently changed so hopefully should be ok.

I'm at the point of taking it to a garage, though I have a feeling they'll just take the p##s and change all sorts of stuff that doesn't need changing.

Anyone know a good Fiat techy near Newbury/Swindon area?
 
If you can see the coils arcing in he dark there will be conductive tracks burnt into the material. The easiest option is to fit a new coil pack(s). Try some WD40 and scouring pads (not wire wool) to clean the area but it may be a lost cause.

If it still runs rough - ECU is next place to look**. Repairs (if needed) are about £100.

** Only applies if its running rough, no visible sparks from the ignition system (new coils, leads, etc) and everything else that can make it run badly has been ruled out.
 
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Ok.

Thought I'd sorted this (several times) but it keeps coming back. Difference is my girlfriend is driving the car now, not me, and she's not as confident as me with the car.

Basically the fault manifests as a lack of power below 2000 rpm. There's basically nothing there until the engine reaches 2000rpm, feels like a misfire (which is also there at idle every now and then) Above 2000 she's fine, and there's quite a kick in the rear when you pass 2000 rpm, almost like a hugely laggy turbo.

Anyway, what have I done?

Over the past year I have replaced the coil packs, twice (second time FOC) new plugs, new lambda.

Now an interesting twist, she only seems to misbehave when it's wet, which suggests some kind of damp earth fault, but all connectors I can find are heavily WD40'd and show no sign of corrosion.

Does anyone recognise this set of symptoms? I am thinking possibly ECU, but how do I tell? I've plugged her in to the Fiat software, and I get an error code that supposedly means cylinder 12 misfire. Now they kept cylinders 5 to 12 a big secret! ;)

Another interesting symptom is that the engine management light (red with an ! in the middle of 2 circles) comes on when you brake to a low speed, or for an extended period, or go down a hill using engine braking. As I understand it the ECU should shut off fuelling when engine braking is being used, so is this an ECU fault reporting an engine fault (misfire maybe) in error as the fuelling is turned off and so resistance in the cylinder is different?

Is there anyone around Newbury way who can test ECU's and let me know if it's the fault for a sensible price, and maybe repair it if it is?

I now have the same problem but without getting an error code did you fix yours?
 
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