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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

why would they need your car for a few days to fit a clutch
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

And once again I quote from Quinten Hazel:

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We offer 2 different Clutch Kits for Punto II 1.2 8V AND 16V. The 8v engine uses QKT2132AF and the 16v is QKT2133AF. Both use the same Cover Assembly but have a different bearing.


This next bit is in reference to whether or not it will solve juddering problems. Although one user on the forum link provided earlier suggested that his problems had gone with the QH clutch.

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I can offer no proof about the quality of the QH design other than to say we have less than 0.05% genuine warranty claims for each reference (excluding no quibble warranty). We sold 1,605 of QKT2132AF in 2006 and 377 of QKT2133AF.
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

Quote Originally Posted by luvduvs View Post
Cos its a "characteristic"
actually it promted a service news telling dealers the tp sensor had been updated for a stronger more reliable version and any cars with certain symptoms within a certain chassis range would require it to be replaced to solve judder and running on after lifting the throttle during driving things like that bad idling also

i thought most dealers would know all about this buy now but obviously not(charicterstics my arse)

tools were also sent to aid in the replacement of the sensor

al thou it is posible to replace one with basic tools it just requires braking the old one to get it out

this is all for problems wile in gear regarding judder

as for the clutches well quite frankly the clutches in the cars re prone to judder that is well known the best thing to do is fit a valeo clutch they are very good

the borg becker or whatever they are are s h i t e

fit have paied for a few under waranty but they don't like it cos it could be a dealer getting one for a worn out clutch due to bad driving fiat don't have the time to check the cluthes for every warranty claim so i guess that's why some people have been fobbed of with the it's a characteristic excuse also if people get wind of people getting clutches for a slight judder they may go to a dealer and try to claim there's is juddering you can see how it would get out of hand

another problem with having a dealer fit a new clutch is fiat wll only pay for another manufacturer supplied clutch identical to the one in the car which will more than likely have the same problem so it's not worth the hassle from your point of view anyway

it's just one of them things really live with it or get it changed for a valeo

it is posible to get rid of the judder for a wile buy pulling the handbrake on and trying to set off in second lifting the clutch wile keeping the revs around 3k for a short time like 7 to 9 seconds

then allow to cool you may smell a burning smell afterwards this is a sign you have scrubbed off the material causing the clutch to judder i did it on a car today and it was fine afterwards

but you must be carefull no to koock the clutch to much or the lining may completely fail
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

Aren't Valeo the OEM for the Punto Mk2 clutches? Theres a fella on the other forum claiming the Valeo clutches are of poor quality and causing all the problems.

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valeo clutches fitted to the mk1 puntos are complete crap 1change more clutches on mk1 puntos than all other makes of cars
I realise he's talking about mk1's but isn't this indicative of all valeo supplied punto clutches?

Can you provide the chassis range for the Puntos with the possible TP problems?

The juddering is only occuring on the 1.2's right? So I think fiat blaming possible boy racer style driving is a bit of a joke, you couldn't really wear out a clutch on a 1.2 within your warranty period unless you were a **** driver perhaps constantly riding the clutch, the engine can't generate enough torque to be wearing the clutch out that quickly I wouldn't have thought anyway.

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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

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My 1.2 8v judders in 1st and reverse, I read a huge article about it on talkforums which stated it was a defect in the clutch design, some people have taken fiat to court and won. There was meant to be a company redesigning the clutch, I've never checked it for a while.

The juddering for me mostly happens when I'm crawling in traffic. Under heavy load like on a hill it's most apparent, the whole car will start shaking itself to bits.
I had the same problem with my 53 plate Punto. took it into my deal when it was still under warranty (10,000 mile after the first year). Complained to the bloke behind the desk, and he said something about a design problem then asked if I wanted to book it in for a new clutch.

I said 'hell yeah', and that seemed to cure the problem.
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

sorry to be so thick, but where is the T P sensor located?
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

OK, so I'm gonna buy a Valeo clutch set in next few days and mount it, dont get me with this story guys, I thought Valeos were fine

Mine engine judders and everything, but lets face it when I bought the car I had a small feeling clutch is not just right, but now it started to show, so it could be that after I change the clutch problem goes away
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

I got an email from QH the other day that stated they had a lot of success in solving the juddering problems with their clutches.

I also read on here that Valeo supply QH their clutch plate materials. I'd be suprised by this since QH are a large automotive manufacturer.

I'd still be interested in those TP problem chassis numbers if anyone can supply them? Is the TP problem specific to mk1s or mk2s?
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

My juddering clutch was sorted out by attempting to pull away with the handbrake on in second, then a hill start in 3rd gear, a method gleaned from the ever informative littlepip, takes uneven wear off the clutch plates by burning it off...not good if you do it alot but does square it up nicely...
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Re: Engine judder on a Punto 1.2 8v

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I got an email from QH the other day that stated they had a lot of success in solving the juddering problems with their clutches.

I also read on here that Valeo supply QH their clutch plate materials. I'd be suprised by this since QH are a large automotive manufacturer.

I'd still be interested in those TP problem chassis numbers if anyone can supply them? Is the TP problem specific to mk1s or mk2s?
ill have another look at the thng but not sure if there was a chassis number range now i think about it just pre face lift mk2's cf3 injection

and to clear up the clutch antics valeo make excellent clutches borg and beck make ****e both of these were used in mk2 puntos 1.2s so some will judder and some wont it's all about supply and demand that's why there are different makes flying around

borg and beck clutches are actually fine if they are given death every day they wont judder but if you slip them allot under light load and set of ever so gently everywhere they start to judder
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