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Re: LED DRL's: Success!

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This is the kit i fit
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Still illegal as no E mark. Flashing with horn is not allowed either.

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Re: LED DRL's: Success!

Now what...……..Everything is We post up you Bring down
Where in your rules does it say it can't flash with horn.....It's no different to flashing your headlights!
Half dims with lights on which is correct
Delay on after engine stop that's ok isn't it?
My van is 09 plate so not tested on MOT
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Re: LED DRL's: Success!

Does not matter, if you fit DRL's they must be E marked (including controller) to be legal. No excuse really as E arked ones are available.
As said before, you can do whatever you like to your car, just don't recommend illegal kit to others.

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What makes this kit differ from e marked then?
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Re: LED DRL's: Success!

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What makes this kit differ from e marked then?
It has not been type tested and approved as conforming to the relevant regulations. Flashing with horn is non-compliant for a start.


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The flashing is supposed to be for the hard of hearing and deaf people to know you are there an excellent thing in my book....As they cant here a horn, and as I said it's no different to flashing your headlights, and i'm pretty sure that feature is not even mentioned in any rules that it can't be used in that way
Brake lights flash when you break hard.....My indicators actually flash if I brake hard.....so I found out once!
update...….....Just got a call back to my MOT guy and he can't remember the make but some new cars now have flashing drl's with the horn being used so thats that issue put to bed.....it's quite legal
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The flashing is supposed to be for the hard of hearing and deaf people to know you are there an excellent thing in my book....As they cant here a horn, and as I said it's no different to flashing your headlights, and i'm pretty sure that feature is not even mentioned in any rules that it can't be used in that way
Brake lights flash when you break hard.....My indicators actually flash if I brake hard.....so I found out once!
update...….....Just got a call back to my MOT guy and he can't remember the make but some new cars now have flashing drl's with the horn being used so thats that issue put to bed.....it's quite legal
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DACIA was one car with flashing DRL'S
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Before a product can go on sale it has to be e-marked.... as it was for sale, as a consumer and not the police it is assumed that the device has met what ever required standards where needed for it to be made available for sale.
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DACIA was one car with flashing DRL'S
My experience of 'Renault' goes some way to believe this.. :

It does sound ok..

Flickering brakelights..?

You will say JLR cars have dipping headlights next
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The flashing is supposed to be for the hard of hearing and deaf people to know you are there an excellent thing in my book....As they cant here a horn, and as I said it's no different to flashing your headlights, and i'm pretty sure that feature is not even mentioned in any rules that it can't be used in that way
Brake lights flash when you break hard.....My indicators actually flash if I brake hard.....so I found out once!
update...….....Just got a call back to my MOT guy and he can't remember the make but some new cars now have flashing drl's with the horn being used so thats that issue put to bed.....it's quite legal
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Yeh, that's definative. Nothing in the regulatons that I can find. In any case It's a bad idea as may be mistaken for flashing headlights whih can mean "go ahead"
Find me a regulation or official guidance and I'll look at it.
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Re: LED DRL's: Success!

So the EU

regulation https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...1X1206%2803%29
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"6.19. Daytime running lamp (Regulation No 87) (17)
6.19.1. Presence
Mandatory on motor vehicles. Prohibited on trailers.
6.19.2. Number
Two
6.19.3. Arrangement
No special requirement
6.19.4. Position
6.19.4.1. In width: the distance between the inner edges of the apparent surfaces in the direction of the reference axes shall not be less than 600 mm.
This distance may be reduced to 400 mm where the overall width of the vehicle is less than 1 300 mm.
6.19.4.2. In height: above the ground not less than 250 mm nor more than 1 500 mm.
6.19.4.3. In length: at the front of the vehicle. This requirement shall be deemed to be satisfied if the light emitted does not cause discomfort to the driver either directly, or indirectly through the devices for indirect vision and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle.
6.19.5. Geometric visibility
Horizontal
outwards 20° and inwards 20°.
Vertical
upwards 10° and downwards 10°.

6.19.6. Orientation
Towards the front
6.19.7. Electrical connections
6.19.7.1. The daytime running lamps shall be switched ON automatically when the device which starts and/or stops the engine (propulsion system) is set in a position which makes it possible for the engine (propulsion system) to operate. However, the daytime running lamps may remain OFF while the following conditions exist.
6.19.7.1.1. The automatic transmission control is in the park position; or
6.19.7.1.2. The parking brake is in the applied position; or

6.19.7.1.3. Prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time after each manual activation of the propulsion system.
6.19.7.2. The daytime running lamps may be switched OFF manually when the vehicle speed does not exceed 10 km/h provided they switch ON automatically when the vehicle speed exceeds 10 km/h or when the vehicle has travelled more than 100 m and they remain ON until deliberately switched off again.
6.19.7.3. The daytime running lamp shall switch OFF automatically when the device which starts and/or stops the engine (propulsion system) is set in a position which makes it impossible for the engine (propulsion system) to operate or the front fog lamps or headlamps are switched ON, except when the latter are used to give intermittent luminous warnings at short intervals (18).
6.19.7.4. The lamps referred to in paragraph 5.11 are not switched ON when the daytime running lamps are switched ON, except if daytime running lamps are operating according to paragraph 6.2.7.6.2.
6.19.7.5. If the distance between the front direction-indicator lamp and the daytime running lamp is equal or less than 40 mm, the electrical connections of the daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle may be such that either:
(a)
it is switched OFF; or
(b)
its luminous intensity is reduced during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of a front direction-indicator lamp.
6.19.7.6. If a direction-indicator lamp is reciprocally incorporated with a daytime running lamp, the electrical connections of the daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle shall be such that the daytime running lamp is switched OFF during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of the direction-indicator lamp.
6.19.8. Tell-tale
Closed-circuit tell-tale optional
6.19.9. Other prescriptions
No prescription"
Nothing in there about a horn connection, and on flashing lights it says:
"5.9.1. Direction-indicator lamps, the vehicle-hazard warning signal, amber side-marker lamps complying with paragraph 6.18.7 below, and the emergency stop signal shall be flashing lamps."
So, Not in the regulations.


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So.…………?????
My DRL'S Comply with current regulations in there operation
You just posted a load of tech that no-one's interested in
Like the old days of fitting fog and spot lights, there were measurements for those, so fare up from the road so fare apart bla,bla,bla who took any notice no-one!
When I was at ford and fitted spot lights to a fiesta xr2 as many often had as an accessory by ford.....Turned out they were illegal where they were placed on the front bumper and we were using fords bumper jig, so see what I mean, rules are there but no-one cares no-one can enforce it, we carry on doing what we want and no-one cares
It must be hard living in a world of regulations
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So? So your car is illegal. While it is unlikely, it is possible that your insurance could be invalidated as a result. This could have serious financial impact.

Yes it is hard living in a world of regulations, but we all have to do it. Encouraging people to make illegal modfications does not make it any easier.
Part of my day job involves tecchnical regulations on aircraft. Would you rather have someone who dilligently applied the latest regulations preventing fuel tanks exploding or someone who said "ABC Aircraft Co.did it like that for years,it will be OK" designing the aircraft you are flying on?

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You are blowing things out of proportion …..come on grow up
I am talking DRL's...…….Now some how aircraft fuel tank safety has been brought up
I'm done with this thread as it seems you are right and everybody else is wrong we are all law breaking criminals
Have fun in your life of regulations...….
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I am talking DRL's...…….Now some how aircraft fuel tank safety has been brought up
Don’t ignore the warning, next thing you know your DRLs will explode while you’re traveling at 71mph (also illegal by the way), your fiery car will tumble down the road out of control into a bus load of children!!!

This is certainly inevitably under the circumstances....

There are something like a million uninsured drivers in the U.K. but your DRLs are the most serious issue.

The reason the police traffic cars drive BMW X5s now is just so they can carry the EU rule book on DRL safety.

Either that or some people literally have nothing else in their life other than telling other people what they can and can’t do, where no actual power exists to enforce this they pull out some banal rule book out to quote like an air raid patrol warden or park keeper....

Keep off the grass LEDs
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