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Like all these things.. the info is out there.. you just need the right person..

Thanks.

All the Fiat:Alfa places near me have gone..

So nothing is simple
Hmm, let me think now. Specifically Fiat/Alfa independents near me?

Well, my nearest is Harrison Motors on the trading estate in Jane street Leith. A genuine "old style" small family garage who advertise themselves as Fiat specialists. I like the feel of this place having made a nuisance of myself there more than once. The reception area is slightly grubby, the workshop looks very "honest" with no polished tiles and a slightly "well used" look about it. - exactly what you would expect of a workshop which "Does" rather than "talks the talk" and then overcharges you! I am going to try them for my next MOT and if Becky's clutch doesn't last until the warmer weather returns I'll be getting them to do it.

Then there is McLennans Garage out at Loanhead. Don't know a lot about them but they've been around for a long time. I have spoken briefly with their foreman (I think) by telephone, about undertaking some repairs to my oldest boy's Punto as they are near by where he lives. I was impressed with their attitude and it sounded as if they really knew what they were talking about. In the end, although the prices seemed very reasonable, my son could not afford it at that time so "garage of Dad" came to the rescue. They advertise themselves as Alfa, Fiat and classic car specialists.

Edward Labinjoh Cars in Stevenson Road to the west of the town centre. A very nice chap to talk to. Many years ago I put in a brief period where I worked office based, in the centre of the city. Really, but REALLY hated it! Edward at that time had his business operating out of a string of mews lockups. On my way to catch the bus home I would detour round through the mews and there was often something interesting to see, Like, for instance a Montreal, ticking over after it's day in the workshop (I've always loved V8s!). I have never used his services so can't really comment further.

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I had a similar thing years ago with an Austin Maestro, the diff pin made a bid for freedom and that was at walking pace reversing round a corner. And before some smartarse slags off Austin/Rover it was a ****ty VW gearbox! What? I can't say ****ty! What happened to freedom of speech?
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would've got me a detention in the 70's..
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Aye, VAG had/have a liking for riveting the crownwheel to the Diff cage on some of their 'boxes. It's not unknown for the rivets to work loose, especially if a lot of torque is put through the box. (wheel spinning boy racers etc.) Then one or two rivets sheer and drop into the bottom of the casing, get picked up and jammed between the casing and crown wheel/diff assy rupturing the casing, usually inside the bell housing. The first indication the owner gets is oil leaking out of the bottom of the bell housing. So you think to yourself, Damn! must have a leak on the first motion shaft or rear main! Even when the 'box is removed it's sometimes not immediately obvious that the casing is cracked and can lead to some vigorous head scratching.

PS I haven't myself actually encountered this problem personally so assumed it was very rare, however I see modification kits which contain high tensile steel bolts to replace the rivets are available. So maybe this is more of a problem than I had thought?
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VAG ..
would've got me a detention in the 70's..
VAG? Being my usual thick headed self Charlie, but I don't get it? Or is it an "English" thing that we Scots wouldn't understand? I'd love to be enlightened.
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VAG? Being my usual thick headed self Charlie, but I don't get it? Or is it an "English" thing that we Scots wouldn't understand? I'd love to be enlightened.
VAG Volkswagen Audi group
At least I presume that what they are on about lol
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How do I put this.. VAG

Maybe the 'fix'

Isn't a delivered box containing High Tensile bolts

BUT a visit to the high street

Pack of 'Vagisil'
'That'll do nicely'
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VAG Volkswagen Audi group
At least I presume that what they are on about lol
Thanks for that Chris. Yes VAG - Volkswagen Audi Group - I've been messing about with their products for many years but I guessed that there was more to the post than that, and it would seem I was right. The suggestion is, I think, that the VAG, instead of being spoken "Vee Age Gee" is pronounced "vaj" and the product he quotes is used to deter the attentions of a certain speckled breasted bird? Can't imagine how that would have earned him a detention though, can you?
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Thanks Can't imagine how that would have earned him a detention though, can you?
I seemed to get them for less
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Ok . Back to gearboxes.

I am always wary of 'refufbed'
An oil change..and a dreadful respray.

Will add a LOT of money to scrapyard prices.

Personally I would rather buy a 2nd car that ran well. But had other issues.

You will get a complete car for less money.

In the case of MOT FAILURES..@100
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VAG Volkswagen Audi group
At least I presume that what they are on about lol
Right, just a second while i pop on my anorak. O.K. here we go - VAG actually stands for Volkswagen AktienGesellschaft which roughly translates as Volkswagen Incorporated. Makes sense i guess, there's more to it than VW and Audi so it'd be more like VASSBBPLG excluding motorbikes, trucks & buses. Glad you read it now, are'nt you - not!
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Hi guys,

I've taken the damaged gearbox out and, as I said I would earlier, have stripped it down and taken pictures of the damage and the offending part.

Turned out to be the main shaft bearing that failed throwing lots of debris and ball bearings into the diff housing.

As you will see in one of the pictures it was one of these ball bearings that broke through the casing.

I hope this will help someone else diagnose their problems in the future, although I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I managed to get a recon gearbox with a 1 year warranty from "The Punto Shop" in Oldham. ("oldhamfiatgearboxes" on eBay)

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.

Knowing my 18yr old son as I do, I'll no doubt be back asking for more advice again soon.
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Right, just a second while i pop on my anorak. O.K. here we go - VAG actually stands for Volkswagen AktienGesellschaft which roughly translates as Volkswagen Incorporated. Makes sense i guess, there's more to it than VW and Audi so it'd be more like VASSBBPLG excluding motorbikes, trucks & buses. Glad you read it now, are'nt you - not!
See - Doesn't matter how much you think you know you should always be humble because there's always something waiting in the wings to knock you back down again.

I've been messing about with older VAG stuff for quite a while and sometimes have a chat with the guys at our local Audi/VAG independent. I've never heard VAG translated into anything other than Volkswagen Audi Group. I too will don my anorak next time I'm there and try the Volkswagen AktienGesellschaft on them. I might just wear my crash hat in case someone throws something at me!
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Hi guys,

I've taken the damaged gearbox out and, as I said I would earlier, have stripped it down and taken pictures of the damage and the offending part.

Turned out to be the main shaft bearing that failed throwing lots of debris and ball bearings into the diff housing.

As you will see in one of the pictures it was one of these ball bearings that broke through the casing.

I hope this will help someone else diagnose their problems in the future, although I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I managed to get a recon gearbox with a 1 year warranty from "The Punto Shop" in Oldham. ("oldhamfiatgearboxes" on eBay)

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.

Knowing my 18yr old son as I do, I'll no doubt be back asking for more advice again soon.
Thanks so very much for posting those images shiny. As we've said earlier in this post, rebuilding a damaged box at home, apart from being a difficult task for the amateur/enthusiast - often needing specialist tools you don't have, is nearly always complicated by the fact that detritus enthusiastically distributes itself around the whole box. So merely replacing a worn bearing or a few other component parts without dismantling and thoroughly cleaning every component part and every wee hidey hole will often mean tears soon after reassembly!

Your box just illustrates this so well!

The bearing failure must have been sudden to be this catastrophic without giving audible warning. Maybe there was a metal fragment from elsewhere swimming around the box until it got into that bearing race and suddenly fractured it? You'll probably never know.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you that the "new" box is a good 'un. and thanks again for posting your results, it's so frustrating and we all learn much less if people don't complete their thread.
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Hi guys,

Just thought I'd update the post and let you know that the car is back up and running again with the recon gearbox in it and in my sons words "that feels totally different because it is so smooth."

Just a pity he hadn't told me the old one wasn't right till it was too late.

Anyway, I just wanted to say again that I really appreciate all the help and advice that was given.

Thanks guys.
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