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Old 10-08-2014   #31
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My honest opinion.

Back in 2006 the grande punto was stunning, absolutely stunning. Maserati styling which no manufacturer could match. However time has progressed and the punto seems to still be stationary in 2006.

All the models released prior to the grande have just been facelifts with a little tweak here and there.

It needs a new innovative supercar design and a complete restructure. Everything needs to be concentrated on. Chassis, Engines, Gearbox, Interior, Exterior and Technology. Having 'greenest manufacturer in Europe' does not get hearts racing.

Fiat are Italian, they should be showing that flair and passion in their cars but the current models now just look dreary and dated in comparison to rivals. Its such a shame.
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My honest opinion.

Back in 2006 the grande punto was stunning, absolutely stunning. Maserati styling which no manufacturer could match. However time has progressed and the punto seems to still be stationary in 2006.

All the models released prior to the grande have just been facelifts with a little tweak here and there.

It needs a new innovative supercar design and a complete restructure. Everything needs to be concentrated on. Chassis, Engines, Gearbox, Interior, Exterior and Technology. Having 'greenest manufacturer in Europe' does not get hearts racing.

Fiat are Italian, they should be showing that flair and passion in their cars but the current models now just look dreary and dated in comparison to rivals. Its such a shame.
Personally, I think the Punto and its sister car, the Corsa, are still the best looking superminis around. Whereas the newer cars in the class have weird, fussy, generally ugly styling, both the Corsa and the Punto, with their older, cleaner designs stand out for me.
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A lot of those things could've happened on any car, you were just unlucky with that particular example. With regards to the front end design, it's identical to the Corsa, (a friend of mine has a 2007 Corsa, and apart from the engine, you wouldn't know what car you were looking under the bonnet of) so that criticism must be aimed at GM, not just Fiat.

No I was not unlucky myself. Have a read through the GP section and see how many unlucky other owners are around.

The Corsa and the GP are different under the bonnet. The Corsa has a much better design around the scuttle area.
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No I was not unlucky myself. Have a read through the GP section and see how many unlucky other owners are around.

The Corsa and the GP are different under the bonnet. The Corsa has a much better design around the scuttle area.
Seemed exactly the same when I looked at my mates Corsa.
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No I was not unlucky myself. Have a read through the GP section and see how many unlucky other owners are around.
Of course the Punto is not perfect, and it has issues. I understand some, other are due because it's an RHD car (no rust issue on LHD servo cars) and for other I did not understand/agree.

But don't believe a Fiesta or a Polo is better, I had the Fiesta mk6 and read the forum www.fiestast.fr (it's french language) :
why almost all had the waterpump leaking between 20'000-60'000 km ? (I had this)
why the AC condenser leak at a rivet for many members ? (my case)
why suspension spring broke before 5 years on many cars ? (my case)
why gearbox break for several members ?
why clutch bearing is dead for several members ?
and so on...

You have a car, and not a perfect car. Sorry you had too many issues, but it's not the case for all people. And no car have no issue over time..

If you love it, buy a Fiesta, keep it 5 years and after post here
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Of course the Punto is not perfect, and it has issues. I understand some, other are due because it's an RHD car (no rust issue on LHD servo cars) and for other I did not understand/agree.

But don't believe a Fiesta or a Polo is better, I had the Fiesta mk6 and read the forum www.fiestast.fr (it's french language) :
why almost all had the waterpump leaking between 20'000-60'000 km ? (I had this)
why the AC condenser leak at a rivet for many members ? (my case)
why suspension spring broke before 5 years on many cars ? (my case)
why gearbox break for several members ?
why clutch bearing is dead for several members ?
and so on...

You have a car, and not a perfect car. Sorry you had too many issues, but it's not the case for all people. And no car have no issue over time..

If you love it, buy a Fiesta, keep it 5 years and after post here

I own a Focus MK3 Diesel Estate now. No faults at all in 20 000 miles so far.

However, it is a different class to the Punto.

The Fiesta is a car that is always dependant on spec. The basic ones are very basic. I remember an early one of the current model was not overly pleasant.
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Ford have great car too, I'm not bigot

It's just to say Punto is a great car too, and even if some people have some issues, it's not the only car to be concerned.
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Ford have great car too, I'm not bigot

It's just to say Punto is a great car too, and even if some people have some issues, it's not the only car to be concerned.
I'd wanted a Grande Punto ever since I 1st saw the pictures of 1 in a top gear magazine, and I never expected to get 1 as nice as I have, and its safe to say it doesn't disappoint, lol!!
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Well you pay for what you get and to say your fiat had loads of issues what car doesnt, being a fiat ford vw or vauxhall you just get the pick of the draw even if its was a friday afternoon car.

and i dont go on my mate said this about that or that about this go from your personal experinces and the vw i bought from new back in 2008 was an absolute joke, spent more time in the dealership so german engineering id think twice. im on my second fiat punto now and safe to say no problems what so ever, and the italians do what the do best style....

and to say the punto is out of date, so is the fiesta, corsa and polo same old same, but yet the still build them, your reading magazines where the drive around in 50,000 cars plus as there run around, so of course there going to slag a 12,000 motor off. they keep reffering to 1970's and 80's build issues. its like a skoda now owned by vw and the skoda badge still turns faces no matter how you improve or change.
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Well you pay for what you get and to say your fiat had loads of issues what car doesnt, being a fiat ford vw or vauxhall you just get the pick of the draw even if its was a friday afternoon car.

and i dont go on my mate said this about that or that about this go from your personal experinces and the vw i bought from new back in 2008 was an absolute joke, spent more time in the dealership so german engineering id think twice. im on my second fiat punto now and safe to say no problems what so ever, and the italians do what the do best style....

and to say the punto is out of date, so is the fiesta, corsa and polo same old same, but yet the still build them, your reading magazines where the drive around in 50,000 cars plus as there run around, so of course there going to slag a 12,000 motor off. they keep reffering to 1970's and 80's build issues. its like a skoda now owned by vw and the skoda badge still turns faces no matter how you improve or change.
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The only reason I bought a grande punto in 2007 was the fact it looked really modern and stood out from the crowd. It was and still is a beautiful design. I didn't like the Evo model but I love the 2014 model facelift.
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Well you pay for what you get and to say your fiat had loads of issues what car doesnt, being a fiat ford vw or vauxhall you just get the pick of the draw even if its was a friday afternoon car.

and i dont go on my mate said this about that or that about this go from your personal experinces and the vw i bought from new back in 2008 was an absolute joke, spent more time in the dealership so german engineering id think twice. im on my second fiat punto now and safe to say no problems what so ever, and the italians do what the do best style....

and to say the punto is out of date, so is the fiesta, corsa and polo same old same, but yet the still build them, your reading magazines where the drive around in 50,000 cars plus as there run around, so of course there going to slag a 12,000 motor off. they keep reffering to 1970's and 80's build issues. its like a skoda now owned by vw and the skoda badge still turns faces no matter how you improve or change.


A modern car should not have loads of issues. Niggles granted but expensive items - No.

Granted the Punto is a good looking car, however your not looking at the thing whilst driving. I brought my new car knowing that it wasn't a looker, but it's a very good car to drive and sit in, with good running costs and fault free And that's what matters to me.

My Punto was a good looking car but average in a lot of areas. I probably could of forgiven that if it had given me trouble free motoring, but it did not.

VW reliability is a myth - I've said it before people only think they are reliable because they feel and look solidly built.

The Punto is one of the oldest superminis out on the market still - so yes it is out dated compared to others, but at the same time I would like to think they have fixed a lot of issues with early ones as they have had time to now! It's a shame that Fiat seem to of given up on it now though.
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The only reason I bought a grande punto in 2007 was the fact it looked really modern and stood out from the crowd. It was and still is a beautiful design. I didn't like the Evo model but I love the 2014 model facelift.
I fully intend to get a 3rd Punto when the time comes to replace my Grande, in a lot of years time! (Well, I hope in a lot of years time, anyway!)
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sorry but if you wanted style why didn't you go for a Brera
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sorry but if you wanted style why didn't you go for a Brera
Some of us are affected by insurance costs, so would be unable to afford to run a Brera. I'm in the highest risk age category, so would never be able to get insured on a Brera. Besides, my Grande provides very stylish transport, with the added bonuses of cheaper tax, better fuel economy, and being a much smaller car!
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