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Old 07-08-2014   #16
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Hard to blame you though. Fiat have let us down with the poor engine choices in the current range.
So true, im really surprised fiat have gone down this route while other car manufacturers are bringing out top end hot hatch motors. What fiat need to do is bring out their own hot hatch tag e.g Punto XSi, Punto GTi, Punto GTE etc (you get my meaning) and it should be 1.6 turbo.

They got the abarth but you goto go to speciazlise dealer to buy one which is a minus in my book. I just believe fiat are just losing too many buyers due to this
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I understand your choice as others, Punto engine range is so poor now.

Happy for you and the ST. Good performance car, good price. Hope they are better built than MK6 (I had the 150HP Fiesta) because after 4 years, my mechanic was my best friend...

Nice color, hope you buy a Punto again if they made good engine in a future
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I did look at a fiesta ST before buying my punto, but end of the day it cost just way too much for me, on monthly payments, insurance costs and running. The Punto GBT is cheap and looks nice for my needs.
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I did look at a fiesta ST before buying my punto, but end of the day it cost just way too much for me, on monthly payments, insurance costs and running. The Punto GBT is cheap and looks nice for my needs.
Fair point.

I'm into my driving and therefore know full well that its not going to be the cheapest thing to run. Getting 26mpg at the moment haha but I love it. I suppose its more a heart over head choice.

Still cheaper than a prostitute though
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I can also imagine your revelling in far superior handling to any Fiat, better build quality as well.
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The Punto is still by far the best looking supermini, certainly the only 1 I'd buy brand new, if I was to spend that much money. As for the engines, you don't need much power to have fun: my 2008 Grande Punto has the 77bhp 1.4 8v, and I don't find meself wanting more power. If only more people would buy brand new Puntos now, so it'll be easier for me to find a used 1 when the time eventually comes to part with my Eleganza, lol!!
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I can also imagine your revelling in far superior handling to any Fiat, better build quality as well.
Yeh its a completely different driving experience, it feels so much more than a fiesta. It feels exotic.

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The Punto is still by far the best looking supermini, certainly the only 1 I'd buy brand new, if I was to spend that much money. As for the engines, you don't need much power to have fun: my 2008 Grande Punto has the 77bhp 1.4 8v, and I don't find meself wanting more power. If only more people would buy brand new Puntos now, so it'll be easier for me to find a used 1 when the time eventually comes to part with my Eleganza, lol!!
Sit in / drive one. Its the only way to explain it. I guarantee you'll want an ST. I only test drove one out of curiosity and as soon as i drove it I fell in love.
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Yeh its a completely different driving experience, it feels so much more than a fiesta. It feels exotic.



Sit in / drive one. Its the only way to explain it. I guarantee you'll want an ST. I only test drove one out of curiosity and as soon as i drove it I fell in love.
Nah, I would never, ever, ever want a fiesta. I read top gear magazine, and they always bleat on about how it's the best thing since sliced bread, but it doesn't appeal at all. About the same time I bought my Grande, my mates parents acquired a 2009 fiesta titanium, and with the 2 cars parked 1 behind the other, I just couldn't understand what all the fuss is about: every stylistic aspect of the Grande is better, inside and out. As for the superior driving experience, I have absolutely no complaints with the experience offered by my Grande, so even if a fiesta is a tad better to drive, it wouldn't be worth sacrificing all the Grandes' style for. I'd wanted a Grande Punto ever since I first saw the pictures of it in top gear magazine, and now I own 1, it really doesn't disappoint.
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Nah, I would never, ever, ever want a fiesta. I read top gear magazine, and they always bleat on about how it's the best thing since sliced bread, but it doesn't appeal at all. About the same time I bought my Grande, my mates parents acquired a 2009 fiesta titanium, and with the 2 cars parked 1 behind the other, I just couldn't understand what all the fuss is about: every stylistic aspect of the Grande is better, inside and out. As for the superior driving experience, I have absolutely no complaints with the experience offered by my Grande, so even if a fiesta is a tad better to drive, it wouldn't be worth sacrificing all the Grandes' style for. I'd wanted a Grande Punto ever since I first saw the pictures of it in top gear magazine, and now I own 1, it really doesn't disappoint.

You can't compare a fiesta titanium to an ST. Its a completely different animal, Its one of those where you need to sit in to find out. ST looks stunning in real life, pictures do not do it justice
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You can't compare a fiesta titanium to an ST. Its a completely different animal, Its one of those where you need to sit in to find out. ST looks stunning in real life, pictures do not do it justice
I'm afraid I'm not really into hot hatches. I have seen sts around, and I still find meself drawn to Puntos. I can't be without that superb styling, lol!
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I'm sorry but I have to massively disagree. Yes the Punto is a nice looking car, but nothing more. It's badly engineered and designed, not particularly good to drive.

If I was in the market for a new supermini it would have to be a Fiesta 1.0 Eco boost. The driving experience is a lot better in day to day use, the build and design is a lot better and it's also a nice looking car. The 1.4 8v Punto is very underpowered.
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I'm sorry but I have to massively disagree. Yes the Punto is a nice looking car, but nothing more. It's badly engineered and designed, not particularly good to drive.

If I was in the market for a new supermini it would have to be a Fiesta 1.0 Eco boost. The driving experience is a lot better in day to day use, the build and design is a lot better and it's also a nice looking car. The 1.4 8v Punto is very underpowered.
The only thing I agree with you is the engine range is not adequate, for people they want more than 77hp the only choice is TwinAir 105 (for petrol). But you can buy a Fiesta with 80hp or 100hp, but with 120 and 180hp, too. This is a correct range, and with a 3 cyl better than TwinAir.

Yet, Ford make low cost cars, with low quality for some parts, and cars that rust... so Punto vs Fiesta is a choice, and it depend your needs.
In the past, the Punto was better positioned with a good range of engines and choice.
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I'm sorry but I have to massively disagree. Yes the Punto is a nice looking car, but nothing more. It's badly engineered and designed, not particularly good to drive.

If I was in the market for a new supermini it would have to be a Fiesta 1.0 Eco boost. The driving experience is a lot better in day to day use, the build and design is a lot better and it's also a nice looking car. The 1.4 8v Punto is very underpowered.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with that. I have no issues with the engineering and design, I find it to be a great car to drive, and with regards to the 1.4 8v being underpowered, I'm sorry, but that is absolute rubbish. Its a very nippy car to drive, with excellent throttle response.

The fiesta is very much overrated, with naff, fussy exterior styling, and a cr*p dashboard design.

When reading magazines, it seems that it's absolutely fine if ford continues to build and sell a hopelessly outdated car with a rubbish engine, yet when Fiat keep the still excellent Punto in production, they get slagged off no end for it.
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I ran a GP for 5 years - my first Fiat.

I have never experienced a car that had the amount of design flaws that the Punto has.

I have yet to see another engine bay with a design that let's water sit on top of the suspension strut bearings causing failure. Nor a design of the rear wash hose splitting and flooding the rear lights with water causing electrical failures. Nor the design of the body connection to the doors of the wiring loom causing the wires to split resulting in the windows and mirrors not working. Nor the electric wind mechanism snapping and failing. Nor a design that pours water onto the back of the alternator. Nor a design that fills the fuse box with water. Nor a design that rusts through the brake servo causing it to rust through the bulk head.

I was amazed at how many things went wrong with mine for what was a well maintained no expense spared car.

Wheel bearings, turbos, alternators, drop links, brake calipers, gear box bearings, heating looms.

The car had only done 58k miles and used mainly on the motorway.

Far to many faults on it to even recommend.

I knew that when I brought the car it wasn't the best supermini out in 2007 - it certainly is not competitive this many years down the line and can not even touch most modern competition which I have driven most of.
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A lot of those things could've happened on any car, you were just unlucky with that particular example. With regards to the front end design, it's identical to the Corsa, (a friend of mine has a 2007 Corsa, and apart from the engine, you wouldn't know what car you were looking under the bonnet of) so that criticism must be aimed at GM, not just Fiat.
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