Register Login
FIAT Auto Specialist Team
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-03-2014   #1
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northwest
Posts: 671
Thanks: 3
Blog Entries: 8
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
How long should a battery last?

Hi, I have an evo 1.4, last year (while under warranty) the battery was replaced by fiat.

This year, (not under warranty) the battery keeps flattening, i.e. today I pulled up after a trip to the supermarket - with the hazards on.

When I returned 5 minutes later it would not start. kept clicking but no broom broom. Battery voltage was 12v but dropped to 8 when trying to start.

When the engine is running there is about 14v on the battery so the alternator seems to be working. (just checked - its 13.89v - whichshould be ample as 13.8 is what's required for a 12v battery).

Any suggestions on what other tests can be done?

BTW, during the week I drive to & from work- 6 miles away.

Is there a way to test the capacity of the battery? (I have checked the sells and they are all still filled etc).
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by EvoStevo; 08-03-2014 at 19:31.
EvoStevo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-03-2014   #2
Speed Reader of the Year!
 
Most Easterly Pandas's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 39,314
Thanks: 1231
Trader Rating: 2
Most Easterly Pandas has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

You're doing mainly short journeys which won't help it. A Fiat OEM battery life expectancy is hit an miss, anywhere from 2-6 years depending upon use tbh.

Best way to get it tested is take it to kwik fit etc for them to complete a drop test on it.

If it has gone then don't get a cheap nasty battery, with the journeys you're doing you want a Bosch Silver S4 or S5 battery. A bit more but worth it, and well priced on eBay
Likes EvoStevo liked this post
__________________
Most Easterly Panda's - Panda'ing in East Anglia
Stockest of mk2 Panda Parts, PM for any parts requests
1993 Classic Panda Selecta, 1989 Panda 750L,
2015 Kia Soul EV, 2009 Panda Eleganza & 2005 Panda Climbing 4x4 (LPG)
Most Easterly Pandas is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-03-2014   #3
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 724
Thanks: 27
Trader Rating: 0
Switzerland 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Hello,

Generally a battery should last about 4-5 year, at least. It depend a lot if short journey, cold weather, etc.
If you are not lucky, it can break after 2 years (dead element, etc)

Do you often use start and stop ?

For charging voltage, it should be 14.1 - 14.4 volt IIRC. 13.8 should work too, if you rev it a bit this rise ?

All garage can check your battery with a tool that draw a quite high current an see if voltage fall not too low.
Likes EvoStevo liked this post
__________________
Punto 2012 Easy - 1.4 8V 77CV - Blue
Mkala is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-03-2014   #4
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: manchester
Posts: 141
Thanks: 3
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Quote Originally Posted by EvoStevo View Post
Hi, I have an evo 1.4, last year (while under warranty) the battery was replaced by fiat.

This year, (not under warranty) the battery keeps flattening, i.e. today I pulled up after a trip to the supermarket - with the hazards on.

When I returned 5 minutes later it would not start. kept clicking but no broom broom. Battery voltage was 12v but dropped to 8 when trying to start.

When the engine is running there is about 14v on the battery so the alternator seems to be working. (just checked - its 13.89v - whichshould be ample as 13.8 is what's required for a 12v battery).

Any suggestions on what other tests can be done?

BTW, during the week I drive to & from work- 6 miles away.

Is there a way to test the capacity of the battery? (I have checked the sells and they are all still filled etc).
I'd go back to fiat, All batteries come with a warranty, I'm sure its more than 12 months. I worked at a land rover dealer and we offered a 3year warranty on all batteries. The only issue you may have is because it was replaced under warranty. However if its gone faulty after replacement, and within an unreasonable time (18months is unreasonable) then you have grounds for it to be replaced.

I;d phone them and explain they changed it and its playing up, i've had batteries last in cars well over 7years. So this is unreasonable. Not fit for purpose really, regardless of if you paid for it, or got it under warranty.

Speak to fiat, they should be accommodating, if not phone the head office. It'll get replaced. The manufacturer would replace it if you contacted them with proof of replacement/purchase from fiat. if you went direct to them.
Likes EvoStevo liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

tom555tom is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 08-03-2014   #5
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Faringdon, Oxfordshire UK
Posts: 6,165
Thanks: 492
Trader Rating: 1
portland_bill has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Generally a battery that is new should last 5-7 years. If it is more than 6 months old when first used, (check the date code on it somewhere), it will probably last no more than two years. It will also have a short life if during storage the voltage has dropped below 12.5v and not been recharged. This is from experience working for a major aftermarket parts supplier, with own-branded batteries, with warranty issues. Research showed the above and a process was put in place to ensure that all trade stock was kept fresh. Warranty failures dropped dramatically.)
Likes EvoStevo liked this post
__________________
13 years motor trade, 16 years motor industry. 14 years Driving Instructor & 7 years Fleet Trainer
Panda Alessi
portland_bill is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-03-2014   #6
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 724
Thanks: 27
Trader Rating: 0
Switzerland 
Re: How long should a battery last?

In the past (when I was not on earth ) a mechanic told me they receive battery dry, and they put acid mixture when they have to use.

Longer storage life and fresh battery in any case !
But today, filling a battery is a waste of time, and money, its the life
(and we think we are better than before, because we transport everything fast anywhere - but the olders was not stupid at all - this is my retro - minute )
__________________
Punto 2012 Easy - 1.4 8V 77CV - Blue
Mkala is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-03-2014   #7
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Manchester
Posts: 41
Thanks: 6
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Are the s4 batteries compatible with the stop/start system? I've read you need a specific battery for use with these systems
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

ChrisH993 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-03-2014   #8
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Faringdon, Oxfordshire UK
Posts: 6,165
Thanks: 492
Trader Rating: 1
portland_bill has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Stop/start needs different battery.
__________________
13 years motor trade, 16 years motor industry. 14 years Driving Instructor & 7 years Fleet Trainer
Panda Alessi
portland_bill is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-03-2014   #9
Speed Reader of the Year!
 
Most Easterly Pandas's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 39,314
Thanks: 1231
Trader Rating: 2
Most Easterly Pandas has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH993 View Post
Are the s4 batteries compatible with the stop/start system? I've read you need a specific battery for use with these systems
Good point.
__________________
Most Easterly Panda's - Panda'ing in East Anglia
Stockest of mk2 Panda Parts, PM for any parts requests
1993 Classic Panda Selecta, 1989 Panda 750L,
2015 Kia Soul EV, 2009 Panda Eleganza & 2005 Panda Climbing 4x4 (LPG)
Most Easterly Pandas is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 09-03-2014   #10
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: manchester
Posts: 141
Thanks: 3
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Quote Originally Posted by ChrisH993 View Post
Are the s4 batteries compatible with the stop/start system? I've read you need a specific battery for use with these systems
even more reason to check with fiat. If they fitted the wrong battery, dont pay a penny.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

tom555tom is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 10-03-2014   #11
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northwest
Posts: 671
Thanks: 3
Blog Entries: 8
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

The sticker on the top is ripped because I have checked the cells.

Do you think that will affect me going back with it?

Mind you, I'm not keen on taking it back to the Blackburn dealers - last time it was in there they damaged my bonnet and refused to have owt to do with it.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

EvoStevo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 25-03-2014   #12
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northwest
Posts: 671
Thanks: 3
Blog Entries: 8
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Damn, a little bit of frost and its flat again.
11.6v.

Any recommendation for a replacement and where best to get it?

I have read that stop & start buggers the batteries up very quickly - but in 12 month pffft!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

EvoStevo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 25-03-2014   #13
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Faringdon, Oxfordshire UK
Posts: 6,165
Thanks: 492
Trader Rating: 1
portland_bill has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Eurocarparts have a discount on batteries at the moment.

You need to select the right one. If you have Stop/start you must get the proper battery.

If you have stop/start, and the battery fitted by the dealer last year is not for stop/start, that would be why is has failed so soon. Despite your reservations, go back and demand they fit the correct one, at no cost to you. If it is the correct type for your car, go to Euro.
Likes EvoStevo, Most Easterly Pandas liked this post
__________________
13 years motor trade, 16 years motor industry. 14 years Driving Instructor & 7 years Fleet Trainer
Panda Alessi
portland_bill is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-03-2014   #14
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northwest
Posts: 671
Thanks: 3
Blog Entries: 8
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

Is this one right? This is what's fitted.
It says its a stop start battery.

Just checked europarts and they dont do one for less than about 150.
I have been quoted 95+vat locally.

I think I'll charge it up more often.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	158.jpg
Views:	46
Size:	2.38 MB
ID:	133304  
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by EvoStevo; 26-03-2014 at 21:16.
EvoStevo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 26-03-2014   #15
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Northwest
Posts: 671
Thanks: 3
Blog Entries: 8
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: How long should a battery last?

How about one of these?
http://www.battery4cars.co.uk/d54-va...r-battery.html
how good are varta?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

EvoStevo is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Long long loooooooong waits at traffic lights ben Leisure Lounge 5 14-03-2012 02:54
(G) Roughly how long will it take for the alternator to charge my battery? GeordieCal Punto (Mk2/2b) 2 27-11-2010 15:25
Any one Like Long Way Round, Long Way Down Race to Dakar or By Any Means? tozzleozzle Leisure Lounge 13 06-11-2008 23:14
(T) How long will a car battery last ? Oilslick Punto (Mk2/2b) 9 24-12-2005 22:21