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Had my evo multiair 105bhp for several months now and has given 3k miles with no issues.

However i i have used my dipped headlights for the first time recently and noticed that my nearside driving/fog light comes on as well, If i put the fog lights on they both illuminate but the nearside stays on when i knock the switch off, Before i go looking anybody else had this issue.
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Had my evo multiair 105bhp for several months now and has given 3k miles with no issues.

However i i have used my dipped headlights for the first time recently and noticed that my nearside driving/fog light comes on as well, If i put the fog lights on they both illuminate but the nearside stays on when i knock the switch off, Before i go looking anybody else had this issue.
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stef does it turn off when you straighten the steering wheels? and if you steer from centre to the right does the right hand fog light come on?
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yes that's exactly what happens just tried it. When i turned headlights on and turned the steering wheel to the left the fog light does come on and the same when i turn it to the right.

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yes that's exactly what happens just tried it. When i turned headlights on and turned the steering wheel to the left the fog light does come on and the same when i turn it to the right.

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They are called cornering lights they come on / become active. Under about 25mph when you do about half a turn of the wheel from center. They are great on unlit windy country lanes but pointless in town IMO....

They can be turned off from the menu button near your right knee. Reading the mileage odometer as you scroll through its menu

Have you found the day time running lights yet?
Also in the menu you can turn off the passenger air bag etc
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Hi Andy
feel like a right dipstick now. These will come in usefull as my daily commute does have some b roads so they will come in handy,
I have already knocked my day lights off as i find them pointless.
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I have already knocked my day lights off as i find them pointless.
Haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted / pulled up about it, but (where fitted), it's a requirement for these to be operational....
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News to me this, well in this country anyway. As i visit Italy several times a year i know that it's a requirement to have them on out there. Not aware that we have to have them on here though.
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Haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted / pulled up about it, but (where fitted), it's a requirement for these to be operational....
Where did you hear / see that?
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VOSA type approvals, MOT manual, and I believe it's in the Road and Vehicle Lighting Regulations too.... i'll look up the references later, at work just now.
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Ok, so it’s quiet at work, and I couldn’t help myself…:

From VOSA, here’s the MOT manual for passenger cars, updated June 2013: IVA inspection manual for passenger vehicles (M1)

Linky: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-manual-for-vehicle-category-m1


PDF: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/203591/M1_IVA_inspection_manual.pdf

Page 180, Note 6:

"Daytime running lamps. The lamps must be connected so that they switch off automatically when the headlamps are on. (Except for when the headlamps are flashed)."

Page 181, Required Standard, Daytime Running Lamps

Daytime running lamps;
23. The correct number must be fitted to the vehicle ( Table 1 )

24. They must be operational

25. They must only emit white light to the front

26. They must be positioned to meet

a. the positional requirements of Table 1

b. the angles of visibility requirements of Table 1

27. They must extinguish automatically when headlamps are operated. (see note 6) “


I found the amendment to the RVLR, it's covered under regulation 18, Schedule 3: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/3/made


As I say, I’m yet to hear or anyone being pulled over, given a VDRN etc for having them switched off (I hear that actually, some traffic cops prefer them off), but I can see this being responsible for a LOT of MOT fails on new cars once they reach 3 years old, if the owners has turned the DRLs off in their menu.

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My car passed the mot with the lights switched off, but i wasn,t present so i don't know if they checked them or even aware of it.
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Odd. Unsure if this is because your car was manufactured before it was a requirement of the vehicle type approval.

I don't like them either, but I leave them switched on because AFAIK I'm required to !

Genuinely interested in this, gonna drop VOSA an email and ask them to clarify their position.
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Let us know what they say cj
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Ok, so it’s quiet at work, and I couldn’t help myself…:

From VOSA, here’s the MOT manual for passenger cars, updated June 2013: IVA inspection manual for passenger vehicles (M1)

Linky: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iva-manual-for-vehicle-category-m1


PDF: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/203591/M1_IVA_inspection_manual.pdf

Page 180, Note 6:

"Daytime running lamps. The lamps must be connected so that they switch off automatically when the headlamps are on. (Except for when the headlamps are flashed)."

Page 181, Required Standard, Daytime Running Lamps

Daytime running lamps;
23. The correct number must be fitted to the vehicle ( Table 1 )

24. They must be operational

25. They must only emit white light to the front

26. They must be positioned to meet

a. the positional requirements of Table 1

b. the angles of visibility requirements of Table 1

27. They must extinguish automatically when headlamps are operated. (see note 6) “


I found the amendment to the RVLR, it's covered under regulation 18, Schedule 3: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/3/made


As I say, I’m yet to hear or anyone being pulled over, given a VDRN etc for having them switched off (I hear that actually, some traffic cops prefer them off), but I can see this being responsible for a LOT of MOT fails on new cars once they reach 3 years old, if the owners has turned the DRLs off in their menu.

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Nothing in there unless I missed it says they MUST be used. Operational is a different thing much like your rear fog light must be operational .... . It also relates to filament lamps. LEDs on the likes of Audi BMW merc and range rovers can't comply with rvlr
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No, but it does say

"27. They must extinguish automatically when headlamps are operated. (see note 6) “

"Note 6: Daytime running lamps. The lamps must be connected so that they switch off automatically when the headlamps are on. (Except for when the headlamps are flashed)."

- suggesting they must be on when the headlamps aren't.

Also 'they must be operational' - then refer to RVLR, describing their operation - the 'light' must be emitted when the positioning lamps are off, and when the positioning lamps (sidelights ?) are on, but headlights aren't.

The wording is, as usual, a bit of a cluster-f**k, but think about it - why would they make it mandatory for them to have them fitted on new cars, if it wasn't mandatory to use them ? Consider seatbelts in the same manner... ?

RE: LEDs, the filament refers to 'dim-dip' devices, which IIRC is an alternative to DRLS - both types are covered in RVLR.

I emailed VOSA, see what they reply with - if they bother replying !
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