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Re: Stop start punto evo

Been told by fiat pointless having battery charge as im only gonna be doing short runs after. Whole system seems pointless after only having the car a month im selling it.

Didnt do any of this when test drove it.

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Re: Stop start punto evo

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Been told by fiat pointless having battery charge as im only gonna be doing short runs after. Whole system seems pointless after only having the car a month im selling it.

Didnt do any of this when test drove it.

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You're selling a car over a minor fault which doesn't affect its running or functionality to get you from A-B in any way? How silly.

Go back to Fiat and tell them to sort it.

What sort of short journeys do you do?
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Re: Stop start punto evo

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Been told by fiat pointless having battery charge as im only gonna be doing short runs after. Whole system seems pointless after only having the car a month im selling it.

Didnt do any of this when test drove it.

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Find another dealer who knows their stuff the reason the start stop is cutting the engine back in almost straight away is the battery voltage is dropping rapidly..Which a healthy battery should be able to support....

the fact your doing short journeys shouldn't cause the issue as it wont actually work at all if the battery is low on charge or the car is cold...

But a pulse charge MIGHT recover it if not it will probably need a new battery OR a software update...

Not all dealers have sent a staff member on the dedicated start stop course as this obviously costs time and money
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Doing about 20miles in the week max. Mainly gets used for weekends.
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Andy how much did it cost you to change you battery. Did you still have warranty?
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Andy how much did it cost you to change you battery. Did you still have warranty?
Apparently the battery isn't under the 3rd year dealer warrenty but they could supply one for £220


so i went hunting i have the 1.4 8v and dropped one of these in uprated slightly by about 10Ah over standard......

http://www.justcarbatteries.co.uk/in...m-battery.html


But before fitting you must ensure its fully charged IT MUST BE A ECM battery due to the charge characteristics of the system...

Left the car on Friday night for the best part of 2.5 hours with side lights hazzards and a bank of strobe lights turned on (dont ask) and the start stop still works fine...
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Apparently the battery isn't under the 3rd year dealer warrenty but they could supply one for £220


so i went hunting i have the 1.4 8v and dropped one of these in uprated slightly by about 10Ah over standard......

http://www.justcarbatteries.co.uk/in...m-battery.html


But before fitting you must ensure its fully charged IT MUST BE A ECM battery due to the charge characteristics of the system...

Left the car on Friday night for the best part of 2.5 hours with side lights hazzards and a bank of strobe lights turned on (dont ask) and the start stop still works fine...
Wow thats alot needs this already for my car. y do i feel as if ive made a mistake.

Wish i had more old car still
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Re: Stop start punto evo

Got a mate who can lend you a charger before you go spending on a new battery?

How long have you had the car? if its new i would take it back to the dealership and insist they sort it if its under any form of warrenty
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Had the car a month. Didnt buy from fiat got it from local deal. Are these batteries easy to fit?
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Had the car a month. Didnt buy from fiat got it from local deal. Are these batteries easy to fit?
Yes all you need is a 13mm spanner and a 10mm spanner......


take your new battery and charge it fully using a car battery charger (ideally a smart one)

leave it to stand for one hour (this allows surface charge to dissipate)

next disconnect the battery negative cable (the red press tap and pull up the black plug)

then remove the negative terminal sensor using a 10mm spanner


then remove the live.....

unbolt battery retainer clamp at bottom of battery tray using 13 mm spanner


Carefully lift out battery

Clean battery clamps with wire wool

clean new battery terminals


if putting larger battery in remove the plastic wedge from the battery tray

place new battery in tray the correct way round as per the old battery



Refit Live terminal.... tap down before tightening

Refit negative battery sensor again tap down (if you look the battery posts are tapered)


Press on black plug till it clicks


apply vasaline (petrolium jelly) or battery terminal grease to the posts thoroughly

and jobs a good one...

You will need to reset the clock the CD player should be fine providing its an original unit (its coded to the body computer so the car see's it as its own)

then drive as normal

It will learn its parameters over a few journeys then settle down....


this is for the last GP but gives you an idea obviously there was no battery sensor and like

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pun...placement.html
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Re: Stop start punto evo

NB i would still be tempted to give it a proper charge off the car before spending the money
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Yes all you need is a 13mm spanner and a 10mm spanner......


take your new battery and charge it fully using a car battery charger (ideally a smart one)

leave it to stand for one hour (this allows surface charge to dissipate)

next disconnect the battery negative cable (the red press tap and pull up the black plug)

then remove the negative terminal sensor using a 10mm spanner


then remove the live.....

unbolt battery retainer clamp at bottom of battery tray using 13 mm spanner


Carefully lift out battery

Clean battery clamps with wire wool

clean new battery terminals


if putting larger battery in remove the plastic wedge from the battery tray

place new battery in tray the correct way round as per the old battery



Refit Live terminal.... tap down before tightening

Refit negative battery sensor again tap down (if you look the battery posts are tapered)


Press on black plug till it clicks


apply vasaline (petrolium jelly) or battery terminal grease to the posts thoroughly

and jobs a good one...

You will need to reset the clock the CD player should be fine providing its an original unit (its coded to the body computer so the car see's it as its own)

then drive as normal

It will learn its parameters over a few journeys then settle down....


this is for the last GP but gives you an idea obviously there was no battery sensor and like

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pun...placement.html
Thanks for your help seems like you no your .

Cd will defo be ok when take battery out.
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NB i would still be tempted to give it a proper charge off the car before spending the money
Would fiat do that? Could it not loose charge again though? As said before dont use car alot in the week.
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Would fiat do that? Could it not loose charge again though? As said before dont use car alot in the week.
Yes but will probably charge you for the privilege (no pun intended) for under an hours labour rate you could get your own decent charger


An alternator due to its nature can't restore charge to a deeply discharged battery.... Its rather techical but the battery has 2 types of charge Surface and deep charge the alternator only charges the surface (which is what is used when cranking)

err go get a cuppa and your reading glasses........ and look at this link

http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/surf_chg.html


So a prelonged charge at the correct rate can shove a decent charge back into a battery and up its capacity / deep charge





(with that you can connect the fly lead to the battery and keep it topped up whilst its stood without lifting the bonnet)


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accesso...y-charger-test
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Re: Stop start punto evo

Us there anyway of turning this off all together?
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