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The Punto Evo is probably the worst made Fiat in the whole range at present - there's hardly any on the roads compared to Pandas & 500's, yet this forum seems to have more Evo problems than any other current model. Strangely, the Evo is produced in the same factory as the (also problematic) Grande Punto. This factory only builds the Punto, no other (better built) models.

Maybe it should be stressed in your letters to Fiat UK that you believe there are problems at the factory. That's what i think alot of the problems can be blamed on, like missing switches & the numerous mis-builds that people have reported. Fiats MD in Italy would be very interested to hear this i'm sure, as he's already stated that other Countries build Fiat's better & far quicker than the Italian plants. Shame theyre moving production of the next Panda to Italy from Poland
Totally agree. I was going to trade in my 100HP for an Evo last month but decided against it after reading the numerous issues these cars have. Its a real shame because they look great, the engines are great and for the kit you get good value for money. I then decided to wait for the new panda to come out, but now i hear that production is moving to Italy i will be looking elswhere.

Every manufacture now produces at least one good small car so Fiat need to up there game pretty quickly .
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Does anyone know if all the Evos have been produced in Italy or if the production was moved there at some point, because (touch wood) my sporting has been fairly problem free so far, and itís only a few months off being a year old.
Maybe Iím just lucky?!
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I then decided to wait for the new panda to come out, but now i hear that production is moving to Italy i will be looking elswhere.
Don't be too put off a New Panda. I don't think all Fiat's Italian plants are problematic. For example, the Cassino plant seems to do a fairly good job with the Bravo & Alfa Giulietta.

The plant which i believe will be making the New Panda is in Pomigliano d'Arco, Naples. This plant currently makes the Alfa 159 & 159 SW & used to make the Alfa 147 & GT, which have all helped turn around Alfa's reputation. Fiat workers have had to agree to significant changes in their working patterns in order to get the Panda at this plant, so i should imagine the whole thing will be carefully watched for output quantity and quality. I'd imagine if the plant is skilled enough to put together an expensive Alfa product then it should have little bother getting to grips with Fiat's cheapest model.

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Does anyone know if all the Evos have been produced in Italy or if the production was moved there at some point, because (touch wood) my sporting has been fairly problem free so far, and itís only a few months off being a year old.
Maybe Iím just lucky?!
As far as i can see, all Fiat Punto Evo & Grande Puntos, plus their Abarth equivilents, are produced at the Melfi plant in Italy. Like with any mass produced product, there'll be good and bad examples & it's pleasing that yours seems to be a good one.

I think the problem with this plant may be that the number of sub-standard cars leaving the plant seems higher than that of other Fiat Factories, which to me suggests there could be some underlying issues in that plant. However, i must add that all 3 of my Fiats have been Italian-built and they've all proved well built & reliable, so it's not all doom & gloom.
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

Bumping old thread

Well after some moanning to dealer about my lights (and few small other points) I have got some new Fiat 11 spoke alloys from them. Going to pick them up later today.

So have a go and see what you can get because its possible.

Took 3 letters 1 rejected offer of a free 1st year service to get what I wanted thou but was worth it.

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Bumping old thread

Well after some moanning to dealer about my lights (and few small other points) I have got some new Fiat 11 spoke alloys from them. Going to pick them up later today.

So have a go and see what you can get because its possible.

Took 3 letters 1 rejected offer of a free 1st year service to get what I wanted thou but was worth it.

You did well there then!... most people just get a
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

new on here. sorry to bring up an old thread but i have had my punto evo gp 2 months noticed rear lights and indicators are fogging up to it to my dealer who told me this was a strange problem never seen before now looking on here i see its a common problem. that fiat havent sorted out yet. anybody else still having problems as mine are been replaced today.
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

I had mine replaced twice and made no difference. My dealer also said the same, until I had a look around the dealership to see ever evo the same.

I guess you will just have to live with it.

You could also kick up a fuss like I did to get free stuff.
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

I had mine changed last winter and they're still fogging up in the winter. They don't have a fix for it.
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

As am I considering buying an Evo i thought i would look around the net on a fix for this problem. It appears its not just the Evo which suffers from this. Some owners of other cars have tried a fix by taken the lenses off, drying them out fully and then replaced them but putting a bead of silicone on first to make agood seal. I am not sure if this is possible on the Evo as I dont own one yet but just putting it out there. If Fiat cant fix it i guess you havent got anything to loose. Although you would have to re do each time to change a bulb, but if all lights are LED this wont be often i guess.
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

Bump,

Took the car into the fiat today as I had a engine warning light, software update fixed it.

Anyway they tech guy told me that fiat have released a fix for the misting rear lights, booked my car it next week so will let you know how I get on, or you could go ask your dealers too.

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When you take it in please find out as much as you can and let us know more...

Mine have cleared up now, amazing what a bit of sun can do.
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Yes, let us know what they do. Best get mine done while it's still under warranty!
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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

Well I couldnt ask questions as I was in a rush.

But since getting them done I have not seen any problems yet.

So get asking your dealers, and I will update if I see any issues, but im sure I would of by now as It was there all the time.#

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Re: Condensation in both rear light clusters!

I think the main problem is the lamp is far more open at the back than the older gp..... any moist air in the car can get into the cluster via the rear pillar

that and the clusters do not get hot been LED where as the standard 2 side light bulbs in the GP warm the cluster and drive out any damp
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I think the main problem is the lamp is far more open at the back than the older gp..... any moist air in the car can get into the cluster via the rear pillar

that and the clusters do not get hot been LED where as the standard 2 side light bulbs in the GP warm the cluster and drive out any damp
Bump for this old topic.

I think as you : the design is the problem, and we see it since the Evo only : because LED create so little heat compared to a standard bulb that the light cluster don't heat anymore and its still wet inside.

But to find a solution, what have Fiat changed ? The seal ? Other thing ? It works now ?

Any news appreciated
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