I am the same, I have complained to dealer, complained to fiat.

My repsone from fiat was basically and thsi is no joke. " I ahve spoken to the tech guys and they do not know how to fix this problem as of yet, but we will find a solution and get back to you".

So im gonna go to dealer and sort it out.

I don't doubt the annoyance of the problems, i had a Renault Clio which was a pain in the ar*e from new, but would you rather Fiat say 'take it into a dealership' & then end up with new lights fitted that also steam-up, or be told 'we don't yet know how to fix the problem'.

If they don't yet know, then by all means keep on their case, but let them work out a fix. At least theyre being honest if nothing else.

The Punto Evo is probably the worst made Fiat in the whole range at present - there's hardly any on the roads compared to Pandas & 500's, yet this forum seems to have more Evo problems than any other current model. Strangely, the Evo is produced in the same factory as the (also problematic) Grande Punto. This factory only builds the Punto, no other (better built) models.

Maybe it should be stressed in your letters to Fiat UK that you believe there are problems at the factory. That's what i think alot of the problems can be blamed on, like missing switches & the numerous mis-builds that people have reported. Fiats MD in Italy would be very interested to hear this i'm sure, as he's already stated that other Countries build Fiat's better & far quicker than the Italian plants. Shame theyre moving production of the next Panda to Italy from Poland

Well, I have done what the dealer has told me to do. I tell him I have a problem with the car, he tries to fix it 4 times, and fiat even sent out their own guy on one attempt. My dealer then told me to complain to fiat, which I told him would be pointless but ill do it. And after they get back to me with a pointless response, which they have, ill be back to him.

But I am 100% gonna keep on their case, because its a fault and I do not want to buy a faulty car.



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I wonder what percentage of Evos actually have this fault. My 2010 Multiair GP has not had this problem, so is it a design fault or a maufacturing fault? I don't agree that the Evo is Fiat's worst made model. I had an 8V Dynamic Evo which I liked except for the poor high speed cruising performance so I traded it in for a Bravo T-Jet 120 which was brilliant mechanically but the symphony of rattles, squeeks and creaks simply drove me nuts, not to mention the clonky front suspension (mentioned frequently in the forums) so I got another Evo but with the Multiair engine which along with the 6 speed gearbox makes for more refined cruising. And guess what.... no rattles or creaks!!!!!! I'm happy

Im afraid i can't agree with you on the Evo, i do think it's Fiats poorest built car at the moment, but i'm very glad you've had no issue with your two as i am a Fiat fan & don't like to see them churning out stuff that could be better.

Where i do agree with you is to question whether it's a design fault or manufacturing fault. I think most of the Evo's issues are down to careless manufacture. If it was all down to poor design then i'd have thought all new Fiats would have similar problems.

I'd have thought the rear light trouble must have something to do with manufacture of something else on the car. It could be a faulty batch of lights but if that was the case then i'd think replacements wouldn't also be getting condensation. Maybe a vent in the bodywork is missing on some examples, or maybe the space for the lights isn't quite right on some models, so they can't 'breathe' properly

JTD_Liam said:

The Punto Evo is probably the worst made Fiat in the whole range at present - there's hardly any on the roads compared to Pandas & 500's, yet this forum seems to have more Evo problems than any other current model. Strangely, the Evo is produced in the same factory as the (also problematic) Grande Punto. This factory only builds the Punto, no other (better built) models.

Maybe it should be stressed in your letters to Fiat UK that you believe there are problems at the factory. That's what i think alot of the problems can be blamed on, like missing switches & the numerous mis-builds that people have reported. Fiats MD in Italy would be very interested to hear this i'm sure, as he's already stated that other Countries build Fiat's better & far quicker than the Italian plants. Shame theyre moving production of the next Panda to Italy from Poland

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Totally agree. I was going to trade in my 100HP for an Evo last month but decided against it after reading the numerous issues these cars have. Its a real shame because they look great, the engines are great and for the kit you get good value for money. I then decided to wait for the new panda to come out, but now i hear that production is moving to Italy i will be looking elswhere.

Every manufacture now produces at least one good small car so Fiat need to up there game pretty quickly .

Does anyone know if all the Evos have been produced in Italy or if the production was moved there at some point, because (touch wood) my sporting has been fairly problem free so far, and it’s only a few months off being a year old.
Maybe I’m just lucky?!

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I then decided to wait for the new panda to come out, but now i hear that production is moving to Italy i will be looking elswhere.

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Don't be too put off a New Panda. I don't think all Fiat's Italian plants are problematic. For example, the Cassino plant seems to do a fairly good job with the Bravo & Alfa Giulietta.

The plant which i believe will be making the New Panda is in Pomigliano d'Arco, Naples. This plant currently makes the Alfa 159 & 159 SW & used to make the Alfa 147 & GT, which have all helped turn around Alfa's reputation. Fiat workers have had to agree to significant changes in their working patterns in order to get the Panda at this plant, so i should imagine the whole thing will be carefully watched for output quantity and quality. I'd imagine if the plant is skilled enough to put together an expensive Alfa product then it should have little bother getting to grips with Fiat's cheapest model.

TJ07 said:

Does anyone know if all the Evos have been produced in Italy or if the production was moved there at some point, because (touch wood) my sporting has been fairly problem free so far, and it’s only a few months off being a year old.
Maybe I’m just lucky?!

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As far as i can see, all Fiat Punto Evo & Grande Puntos, plus their Abarth equivilents, are produced at the Melfi plant in Italy. Like with any mass produced product, there'll be good and bad examples & it's pleasing that yours seems to be a good one.

I think the problem with this plant may be that the number of sub-standard cars leaving the plant seems higher than that of other Fiat Factories, which to me suggests there could be some underlying issues in that plant. However, i must add that all 3 of my Fiats have been Italian-built and they've all proved well built & reliable, so it's not all doom & gloom.

Bumping old thread

Well after some moanning to dealer about my lights (and few small other points) I have got some new Fiat 11 spoke alloys from them. Going to pick them up later today.

So have a go and see what you can get because its possible.

Took 3 letters 1 rejected offer of a free 1st year service to get what I wanted thou but was worth it.

:devil:

Fordyl said:

Bumping old thread

Well after some moanning to dealer about my lights (and few small other points) I have got some new Fiat 11 spoke alloys from them. Going to pick them up later today.

So have a go and see what you can get because its possible.

Took 3 letters 1 rejected offer of a free 1st year service to get what I wanted thou but was worth it.

:devil:

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You did well there then!... most people just get a :nono:

new on here. sorry to bring up an old thread but i have had my punto evo gp 2 months noticed rear lights and indicators are fogging up to it to my dealer who told me this was a strange problem never seen before now looking on here i see its a common problem. that fiat havent sorted out yet. anybody else still having problems as mine are been replaced today.

I had mine replaced twice and made no difference. My dealer also said the same, until I had a look around the dealership to see ever evo the same.

I guess you will just have to live with it.

You could also kick up a fuss like I did to get free stuff.

I had mine changed last winter and they're still fogging up in the winter. They don't have a fix for it.

As am I considering buying an Evo i thought i would look around the net on a fix for this problem. It appears its not just the Evo which suffers from this. Some owners of other cars have tried a fix by taken the lenses off, drying them out fully and then replaced them but putting a bead of silicone on first to make agood seal. I am not sure if this is possible on the Evo as I dont own one yet but just putting it out there. If Fiat cant fix it i guess you havent got anything to loose. Although you would have to re do each time to change a bulb, but if all lights are LED this wont be often i guess.

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Took the car into the fiat today as I had a engine warning light, software update fixed it.

Anyway they tech guy told me that fiat have released a fix for the misting rear lights, booked my car it next week so will let you know how I get on, or you could go ask your dealers too.

When you take it in please find out as much as you can and let us know more...

Mine have cleared up now, amazing what a bit of sun can do.

Yes, let us know what they do. Best get mine done while it's still under warranty!

Well I couldnt ask questions as I was in a rush.

But since getting them done I have not seen any problems yet.

So get asking your dealers, and I will update if I see any issues, but im sure I would of by now as It was there all the time.#

I think the main problem is the lamp is far more open at the back than the older gp..... any moist air in the car can get into the cluster via the rear pillar

that and the clusters do not get hot been LED where as the standard 2 side light bulbs in the GP warm the cluster and drive out any damp

Andy Monty said:

I think the main problem is the lamp is far more open at the back than the older gp..... any moist air in the car can get into the cluster via the rear pillar

that and the clusters do not get hot been LED where as the standard 2 side light bulbs in the GP warm the cluster and drive out any damp

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Bump for this old topic.

I think as you : the design is the problem, and we see it since the Evo only : because LED create so little heat compared to a standard bulb that the light cluster don't heat anymore and its still wet inside.

But to find a solution, what have Fiat changed ? The seal ? Other thing ? It works now ?

Any news appreciated