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Old 20-04-2010   #1
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Start&Stop - Love it or hate it?

But, I think S&S should be defaulted to "Off" when the car starts, then turned on if you want it.

I just throttled the crap out of the car (2nd time now) and wheel span at traffic lights (first time!) with traffic infront to the extent they all pulled the fook over so i could go past (at which point i thought i should make it look good & shot by )

This was down to me pulling away at traffic lights with S&S, the engine started & stalled for a moment, i was pressing accelerator not moving, so pressed it abit harder, S&S then kicked the engine back on.... REVS! SQUEALS! - all in the space of a second maybe 2.

S&S&S, Start & Stall & Start Again.

Has anyone else had this experience with S&S yet, or is it just me?
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Hi new to all this. I've had my sporting for 2 weeks now s&s is a nightmare. Its OK when you are in a traffic jam but at traffic lights i think its going to take a while to get used to.

Apart from that had no other problems with my new car, love it
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Hi new to all this. I've had my sporting for 2 weeks now s&s is a nightmare. Its OK when you are in a traffic jam but at traffic lights i think its going to take a while to get used to.

Apart from that had no other problems with my new car, love it
Yeah ive found it to be ok at traffic jams or in the queue at lights.... just when at the front of the lights ive found its response time is pretty crappy, todays episode was when i was behind 2 people though, scared them ****less lol... if only a police car was behind me, how would i explain that :P
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Re: Start&Stop - Love it or hate it?

I think it's a good idea. I use mine a lot when stuck in traffic jams. When I stop at the traffic lights, I will only let S&S come on if I'm further down the queue so I've got plenty of time to get the engine started again (and sort it out if it doesn't start). It's all about anticipation and I find myself pushing the clutch down to start the engine a few seconds before the lights change from red.
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Re: Start&Stop - Love it or hate it?

i have found also that you dont need to brake at all for it to cut in (or off) , rolling below 5mph it cuts off then again restarts if you roll back above 5mph again,,

Seems to work ok, just sometimes as im parking up it cuts off just as im about to go into reverse,, a bit off a pain,, hopefully the starter motor or solonoid are up to the job,, dont plan keeping this one more than the 3 years i think anyway,,
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Quote Originally Posted by Blank2k2 View Post
But, I think S&S should be defaulted to "Off" when the car starts, then turned on if you want it.

I just throttled the crap out of the car (2nd time now) and wheel span at traffic lights (first time!) with traffic infront to the extent they all pulled the fook over so i could go past (at which point i thought i should make it look good & shot by )

This was down to me pulling away at traffic lights with S&S, the engine started & stalled for a moment, i was pressing accelerator not moving, so pressed it abit harder, S&S then kicked the engine back on.... REVS! SQUEALS! - all in the space of a second maybe 2.

S&S&S, Start & Stall & Start Again.

Has anyone else had this experience with S&S yet, or is it just me?

Hahaha... Im glad its not just me then. I dont mind it cutting out tbh, its just weird that when clutch 'biting' points seems to be different when the car restarts (Does that make sense?)

Countless times I have been wheelspinning at lights and out of the work's carpark
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Hahaha... Im glad its not just me then. I dont mind it cutting out tbh, its just weird that when clutch 'biting' points seems to be different when the car restarts (Does that make sense?)

Countless times I have been wheelspinning at lights and out of the work's carpark
Exactly what my deal is, bite point seems to change when the engines just started & end up pushing accelerator down more so you dont stall, and clutch up, then suddenly bang your off!

Also hill holder, i like it but i've had a couple of arguments with that too, though ive not had any real embaressment yet... just kinda delays getting the bite point right/revs too high etc.
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Re: Start&Stop - Love it or hate it?

Can't say I love it, seems a little odd to me. But several times the Evo has flashed up a message "Start/Stop is unavailable" and later on it's worked again. Odd.

But does it really take the Turbo cooling into account when it stops ? Just a little worried for the long term effect to the car.

As for the hill holder, have that on the Panda too and it seems to work fine for me on both cars.
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Can't say I love it, seems a little odd to me. But several times the Evo has flashed up a message "Start/Stop is unavailable" and later on it's worked again. Odd.

But does it really take the Turbo cooling into account when it stops ? Just a little worried for the long term effect to the car.

As for the hill holder, have that on the Panda too and it seems to work fine for me on both cars.
Yeah start/stop unavailable is strange, i know it does it when its using power and decides S&S isnt a good idea... but also it comes up some times when it doesnt seem to be doing anything, which is confusing!

Not sure about turbo cooling etc, i think the whole long-term effect is a question alot of people have (myself included)... yeah its been tested etc but i really cant believe turning the engine on & off in rapid succession is good for the car.
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Also dont work after you reverse,, i've had it restart after a few mins of sitting with some electrics on,,
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Actually, yes, reversing may be a factor for it saying "unavailable". It usually only does it to me when I stop on my drive and reverse to turn around in the court yard.
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Re: Start&Stop - Love it or hate it?

When I took the Sporting for a test drive the other week I drove about 10 miles however the start stop never seemed to work when I stopped. I tried it a few times. Any ideas why that would be? The salesman said it may be because the car hadn't been PDI'd yet but not sure.
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When I took the Sporting for a test drive the other week I drove about 10 miles however the start stop never seemed to work when I stopped. I tried it a few times. Any ideas why that would be? The salesman said it may be because the car hadn't been PDI'd yet but not sure.
Quite probably.

When I went to the dealer here in February to test drive an Evo, I took it out but could not make it happen. No matter what the Start&Stop did not work.

When I finally drove back and talked to the dealer he told me it had not been activated yet.

Shame as I wanted to test that feature before ordering.
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Quite probably.

Shame as I wanted to test that feature before ordering.
Well its such a dramatic feature that you would want to try it out before buying. I know you can turn it off but if you do does it stay off or does it reset every time you turn off the engine?
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Well its such a dramatic feature that you would want to try it out before buying. I know you can turn it off but if you do does it stay off or does it reset every time you turn off the engine?

resets cant find anyway of turning it off permanently, i gather you can tell a dealer to disable it.

Though, ive found i just dont let the clutch up anymore unless i know im stopped for awhile.
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