And Donz... read the Telegraph or the Mail and you'll see where I get it from... Bin the Guardian and the Times... it's propaganda.

Well you're entitled to, but having lived through 3 different governments i can assure you that there's been absolutely sod all difference so far! I only hope there will be, but i know there won't.

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I try; although some may disagree to get a balanced view of all the political parties and I am quite frankly disgusted by the way that the Labour party goes about it's day-to-day operations. Alistair Campbell was a prime example of what I hate about the Labour party; as much as Blair's inane grin and oversize ears.

With that i have to agree. Labour scare the crap out of me with it's paranoia! They missed a trick in '97. The country was ready for a party to be honest for once FFS and they f**ked it up!

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And Donz... read the Telegraph or the Mail and you'll see where I get it from... Bin the Guardian and the Times... it's propaganda.

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lol, all media representation is biased!

you just like the ones that sway in the way you sway!

That, for me, is the main and overwhelming reason why I would never vote labour. Since, as far as I am concerned, the Tories never have used spin to such a degree to dangerously deceieve the public and manipulate the media for their own good, I would consider them a better (but not perfect) option.

Originally posted by cinqmeister
Since, as far as I am concerned, the Tories never have used spin to such a degree to dangerously deceieve the public and manipulate the media for their own good, I would consider them a better (but not perfect) option.

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WHAT???? Where were you in the late 80's / early 90's?????

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Admittedly maybe that is not so true, if I refer to the debate about the ERM! But that was more of a mistake.. It was an economic initiative and political initiative that went wrong. As far as I am concerned, Labour's outlook on spin is one of always trying to mount sleaze campaigns on opponents, and trying to win the next election by what is basically deception.

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that would make life easy, but how can they sort stuff before you vote for them?

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I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day all prospective parties have to lay out their manifesto - if they didn't then the voters wouldn't have anything of substance to base their voting preference on.

There's only three things in this life that are certain - you're born, you die and in between you get screwed by the government.

The sad reality is that the 'big 3' are all as bad as each other and whatever 'election promises' they tout to try and sway peoples opinions (i.e. lower taxes, more investment in the NHS, etc.) will always be funded by stealth taxes.

As it stands, I have to admit that it's a toss up between the Tories and Lib Dems - I've never voted Labour and don't intend to start now.


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Originally posted by cinqmeister
Admittedly maybe that is not so true, if I refer to the debate about the ERM! But that was more of a mistake.. It was an economic initiative and political initiative that went wrong. As far as I am concerned, Labour's outlook on spin is one of always trying to mount sleaze campaigns on opponents, and trying to win the next election by what is basically deception.

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Every political party since time began has done that! That's how they get elected...by fooling the dumbass public that they're better than the opposition cos they've had less affairs etc.

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Well I think that's slightly unfair, personally. There is just an underlying feeling in my mind that what Labour's doing is morally wrong more so than the others. I don't know how to justify that exactly, I just feel it.

What panics or worries me, is when, for instance, we have some sort of debate in a French or Italian class at college, and 90% of the people in the class when asked about one subject or another shrug their shoulders and annouce that they don't understand anything about the political system, that they don't care, and aren't going to take part in any discussion because they think it's boring and doesn't affect them. These are the people who are voting! They are responsible for our future! They appear to make these decisions based on what Murdoch tells them, or whatever they see, without really evaluating the facts.

Voters who vote based on ignorance can't be doing the right thing.

Hmm, will be the first time i will be able to vote. TBH i don't think i will. This will annoy a good number of people i know, but i have not the time nor the will to research what each party represents. Additionaly from by place of limited knowlege it seems apparent that there is so little to distinguish between the major parties that it makes little sense. I do wish to use my vote for something that i do not fully understand.

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I would rather this be the case. A vote in a democracy is a powerful thing. To use it just because it's there is a wreckless thing to do. If you really have a feeling one way or the other then use it. If you don't really know what you're voting for, you're better off not voting at all and leaving the decision to be made by the people who know what they're doing...

Well at the end of the day someone has to govern us! Lucky old Scots have loads of people to govern them: 1 MP, 2 MSPs, 1 MEP and a smattering of councillors. It's actually something I would like to do in a few years time once I have some life experience (I do hate career MPs who have no idea of the real world on which they base their policies) but I know that I'd get sucked into whichever party I chose, forced to toe the party line then the public would see me as the 'party' as opposed to being an individual with my own opinions and policies. They were all young and idealistic once, they just got swallowed up.

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Fair point - and isn't it sad?

Re: The budget...

The other thing I'd like to know is; If the country is in "The longest sustained period of Economic growth in 140 years" why has he annouced 40,500 job cuts in the public sector, and merging Inland Revenue with Customs & Excise?

Did you not listen to the budget? Because growth hasn't met the expectations required for continued public spending at planned levels.

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What a load of bullcrap... that doesn't mean anything! He's contradicting himself.

No he's not, this has been a known fact for a long time. Basically, he predicted a steadily increasing level of growth, the rest of the world went into recession, but the UK economy still grew, albeit more slowly (hence a long period of sustained growth, the end of the boom-bust economic cycle (potentially, there is stll a risk of a crash following the predicted crash of the housing market)). So because he thought there would be lots of growth ergo more tax ergo more cash for him to spend, he increased his spending plans. But there wasn't enough growth so not enough tax revenue so not enough cash to spend. Hence borrowing is increasing this year and next before dropping back to predicted levels. If we do go bust, this could be a major problem and he WILL have to cut spending/ raise taxes.

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