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health service hmm labour making it better suposedley. CONservitavies gonna give private health care a bug so people with dosh can go straight to top a list,
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is the monster raving loony party still in operation? seems the best bet now
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They are also limiting the number of foreign doctors, nurses and cleaners Dave that can come into the country, also their cut backs mean that less workers will clean hospitals. Obviously though since the conservatives are in power everybody will work harder and more efficiently....lol.


Puntobloke, you misunderstand taxes and you misunderstand immigration. I personally take offence to your comments about immigration since I am from an immigrant family.
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Who we fought a war with or against 60 years ago isn't really that important, survivability as a nation is.
I'm glad you wrote this because it makes replying a lot easier.

I don't know about anybody else but personally I think we can survive perfectly well enough without a seperate govenment to tell our market traders which units of weight to use. I think we can survive just fine without the EU using our money to pay farmers to cut down their hedges, pay them produce more crops then pay them to throw them away, and finally pay them to put the hedges up again. I also think our survivability as a nation would remain secure despite not paying millions upon millions into the EU so that they can have some new roads in Spain.

I think your hatred of the Americans is pretty much unjust. All governments go to desperate measures to save their vital industries, and what else have you got against them? They went to war in "I-rac", well guess what so did we.

Finally, if you can swim the channel in 20 mins you obviously surpassed my primary school achievements at a grade 5 swimmer!
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And puntobloke, I agree with you on immigration. I don't think you are being racist at all and I think the majority will also hold this view. I'm with the tories on this. But not their stupid tax/spend plans.
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am from immigrant family too great grandad was from hongkong, i reackon if most people trace thier history they will be from immigrant family
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I don't really care, either way (labour or conserv.) none of them are really gonna do what they say their gonna do, unless they've said they're gonna raise taxes, fuel prices, cut military funding etc...... in which case i won't vote for em. I do like watching bremner, bird and fortune tho', quite humorous!
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but the CONs sold off all our oil n stuff, remember what they did or ask older people, dont let them in again ffs
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I thought that would add a little comedy to it.

The EU will work both ways, we're giving more than getting right now, in 10 years time it could be the other way around.

You know full well that I am not saying that we shoulud have a separate government or a body that over rules all the decisions that our company makes. By surviability what I mean is that as a country of 60 million or so, in a world of 6 billion, we make up less than 1% of the global population. If we say we want (for instance) sea borders moved to 22 miles from the coast where possible to prevent Spanish fisherman from using our fishing areas we are likely to ignored. As Europe as a whole with (I don't know the actual number but I expect I am over-estimating 450 million we nearly have 10% of the world's population and a major number of players in the top 10 economic markets of the worlds. If we made a group decision then we would have more of a chance to get somewhere.

We have done fine in the past due to our skill of going to a country, ripping it off to the ground then letting them fix the problems we have caused. In a "modern" society, ignoring Afghanistan & I-rac (i like what you've done with that ) we can't get away with this any longer. It is my opinion that Britain will not last long as a major world player and the only way we can possibly prevent this is by being part of a bigger Union.

I don't just say this because I like French cars....lol. I do think and consider what I am talking about.
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You're joking right Richard? You reckon the Tory policies in this area are correct?

"Sorry mate, already have 18 nurses from Sudan this month, you'll have to go back"

"You may be the best surgeon in neurology in the world but right now we just took two cleaners from Iraq and those gunshot wounds from rebels who want to kill you aren't that bad, you cleaned them up nicely"

"Sorry Mr Smith, I know you fought with us in Iraq and earnt the victoria cross under the command of the British army but we have no spaces left for war heros, although if we ever have another war we will be happy to let you fight for us again"
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ino politics is a load of crap - save your time and just vote for me instead
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I don't see how the government I have already described, which we already have, can possibly be helping our country. And since we've been in europe for 30 years and the Spanish and Portugese still nick all our fish (in fact the EU make it easier) I'd say your argument was rubbish. So you're going to have to come up with a much better reason than that to convince me we need a "bigger union".

As I've said endlessly I'm all for a bit of european co-operation, free trade etc. BUT
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I am not saying that we should have a separate government or a body that over rules all the decisions that our company[country?] makes
We already have this government. And this is exactly what I don't want.
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You're joking right Richard? You reckon the Tory policies in this area are correct?

"Sorry mate, already have 18 nurses from Sudan this month, you'll have to go back"

"You may be the best surgeon in neurology in the world but right now we just took two cleaners from Iraq and those gunshot wounds from rebels who want to kill you aren't that bad, you cleaned them up nicely"

"Sorry Mr Smith, I know you fought with us in Iraq and earnt the victoria cross under the command of the British army but we have no spaces left for war heros, although if we ever have another war we will be happy to let you fight for us again"
definately right there paul

Although, a friend of mine in saudi arabia is going to be a qualified dentist when he finishes his 2 year course (it is usually 3 years, but they managed to cram the 1st year into 2 weeks for him )
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"Sorry mate, already have 18 nurses from Sudan this month, you'll have to go back"
Well If that's what you think would happen then fine. That's not how it would be.

I haven't read the Tory manifesto in full, because I'm not sad enough. But do you really think that this is in it? Perhaps you could point out to me where it says this. I don't like Michael Howard much but he is not a racist.
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We will agree to disagree on the EU then Rich.

Joe, I wouldn't want anybody to come in willy nilly with a Medics degree from walmart in a week and I would always want the people who come for that sort of thing to have to go full full checking of their qualifications and retraining if necessary but then again, that should be true for anybody wanting similar jobs of responsibility wherever they are from!
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