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Election then - Kinda inevitable. FF secret ballot!
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Election then - Kinda inevitable. FF secret ballot!
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I don't see how the government I have already described, which we already have, can possibly be helping our country. And since we've been in europe for 30 years and the Spanish and Portugese still nick all our fish (in fact the EU make it easier) I'd say your argument was rubbish. So you're going to have to come up with a much better reason than that to convince me we need a "bigger union".
As I've said endlessly I'm all for a bit of european co-operation, free trade etc. BUT
As I've said endlessly I'm all for a bit of european co-operation, free trade etc. BUT
We already have this government. And this is exactly what I don't want.Paul said:
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definately right there paul
Although, a friend of mine in saudi arabia is going to be a qualified dentist when he finishes his 2 year course
(it is usually 3 years, but they managed to cram the 1st year into 2 weeks for him )
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Well If that's what you think would happen then fine. That's not how it would be.Paul said:
I haven't read the Tory manifesto in full, because I'm not sad enough. But do you really think that this is in it? Perhaps you could point out to me where it says this. I don't like Michael Howard much but he is not a racist.
We will agree to disagree on the EU then Rich.
Joe, I wouldn't want anybody to come in willy nilly with a Medics degree from walmart in a week and I would always want the people who come for that sort of thing to have to go full full checking of their qualifications and retraining if necessary but then again, that should be true for anybody wanting similar jobs of responsibility wherever they are from!
Joe, I wouldn't want anybody to come in willy nilly with a Medics degree from walmart in a week and I would always want the people who come for that sort of thing to have to go full full checking of their qualifications and retraining if necessary but then again, that should be true for anybody wanting similar jobs of responsibility wherever they are from!
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No, read it again. Actually you agreed with mePaul said:
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i will be voting UKIP as a tactical thing EU is a millstone around our neck and gains us nothing - realistically its gonna be labour in again which is actually better than the conservatives...
actually and sad to say it... this country is screwed financially - our wealth generation is now dependant not on the EU but the far east (rover one example of how our manufacturing is going to China)
the conservatives drove the nail in the coffin of the weezing union bred manufacturing we had...and now it has all gone pete tong
my advice?
get trained and go to oz, or canada (i am probably doing the latter)
alternatively get into politics and save the country
actually and sad to say it... this country is screwed financially - our wealth generation is now dependant not on the EU but the far east (rover one example of how our manufacturing is going to China)
the conservatives drove the nail in the coffin of the weezing union bred manufacturing we had...and now it has all gone pete tong
my advice?
get trained and go to oz, or canada (i am probably doing the latter)
alternatively get into politics and save the country
He's not a racist, you can't be in mainstream politics and get away with being racist. He is also an immigrant which makes his policy seem a little odd and makes me wonder who really is behind that one.
If you haven't got time to know what the Tory manifesto states (and considering the other Tory disaster policies I see why you wouldn't even bother!) it says that there will be an anual NUMERICAN maximum of the number of foreigners allowed to settle here. No special cases are considered in the article. The number would be decided annually by Parliament.
I suppose it's a bit like what happened with Blair, he got his free education then stopped it once in power, Howard's dad came here and is now preventing others doing the same; "not in my name".
If you haven't got time to know what the Tory manifesto states (and considering the other Tory disaster policies I see why you wouldn't even bother!) it says that there will be an anual NUMERICAN maximum of the number of foreigners allowed to settle here. No special cases are considered in the article. The number would be decided annually by Parliament.
I suppose it's a bit like what happened with Blair, he got his free education then stopped it once in power, Howard's dad came here and is now preventing others doing the same; "not in my name".
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Unfortunately, i think the current set up is far to relax when it comes to allowing specialists from other countries in to the UK, to practise. My friends dad (the one in saudi) is a Orthopedic Surgeon (bone doctor) and has practised in this country for a fair few years, after qualifying in a similar manner to how his son is at the moment.
Me and my mate were discussing it the other day,we came to the conclusion that it would take less time for me to learn Arabic, move to Saudi arabia and then qualify as a dentist, than it would take for me to do it normally through university in this country.
Well do it if you want, plenty of the people on my course are paying full fees (12k/year + accommodation etc.) from say Malyasia for a BEng (masters not needed over there for engineering) and will return home. Actually, so much so, some people are considering some university courses as exports which is great for the "business side" of the country. Though its knock on affects are a little unknown. Although not that many Brits want to spend 4 years studying for a masters in chem eng...rather for media studies.
ok,right now no offence meant,what i was trying to put across in my earlier gripe,was the fact that there are a lot of immigrants here that get there citizanship,and then invite all the family over because they know they can get in and this country is a soft touch,arranged marriages are a farce cos i know several asian girls that didnt even want to get married to the guys but were told there were financial gains for her and her family if she got these 'husbands' in the country,i dont mind,or have a problem with legitimate immigrants that do come here honestly,to get away from war or famine,what i do mind is being over run and being told i have to respect views and religions of others when they dont respect mine or dont even speak the language to communicate and yet they drive around in big fancy cars and wear expensive suits,which have been paid for by myself and other tax payers so that this government and any other that follows can give hand outs so that these people can 'find there feet'. again i apologise for any offence but i love my country and hate to see it being abused.
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sammiboo said:ino politics is a load of crap - save your time and just vote for me instead
Ok! Any Policies? Never mind you have my vote!
in the old days immigrants came into this country and started up businesses, (corner shops, restaurants, takeaways, etc), but most of the immigrants that come into this country these days, just say 'we immigrants, we want money, house, car, benefits'. I know because an ex girlfriend of mine lives two doors down from a hostel (used to be nurses accommodation), where 450 immigrants live, she is often asked when she is walking around town 'you marry me, i become british, i get benefits' and when she says no, they get very annoyed, and often she has them following her.
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Well bad luck Paul (and others) Blair just said he will definately serve the whole term if/when re-elected. Unless that was just another of his supposed "lies".
On Paxman? If so I thought he said last week he wouldn't? Was I just dreaming?! That's the only reason why i said it.
I thought he said last week he wouldn't? Was I just dreaming?! That's the only reason why i said it.
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Nah he's definately never said he wouldn't stick it out - now he's said he definately will. Not to say he's not capabable of pulling a fast one in 2009! Christ he'll have been in almost as long as Maggie by then!
Man, it's just taken me ages to read through all that lot.
OK, I think one of the problems is that many people vote without knowing what they are voting for. I remember several years ago watching a pre-election programme where they were interviewing members of the public and when asked a woman said "I'm gonna vote for David Steele, I like him". As if that's a good reason to vote for someone, especially as she didn't even know him well enough to form an opinion about whether or not she liked him. As far as I am concerned, people should have to earn their vote by proving their knowledge of party policies. Admittedly many people wouldn't be bothered to make any effort, but that is a good thing, at least the vote would be made by an educated electorate.
As far as policies are concerned, I think we should go into the EU, it's a step towards my end hope of a global government. I agree with Paul, that we are far better off as part of a larger community than on our own and I feel that any arguements against it are racist, but then I think that patriotism is racist. I think immigrants from any country should be able to come here, as many as they like. I don't believe that humans own the world and I don't believe that one human should be able to tell another where in the world he can or can't go. I don't however think that immigrnats should be entitled to any benefits other than the health service until they have paid # amount of National Insurance. That said I don't think there should be a National Health Service. I think it should be privatised, but that Health Insurance should be comulsory and people recieving certain benefits, such as pensioners, disability benefits, etc. should have their medical insurance provided by the governement. Likewise, I don't think unemployed people should receive benefits for sitting on their arse all day. They should be entitled to benefits, but should have to do government provided work to receive them. This could create problems in that they may not want to work, because they might think it's not like they can be sacked, which is why it should be based on a piece work principal, therefore they receive # amount of benefit based on their productivity. As far as taxes are concerned, it is possible to reduce taxes, this country is far from the most efficient in terms of government spending. That said, I think certain taxes are totally immoral, capital gains for one. Taxes on petrol, cigarettes, alcahol and luxury items should be further increased as they should for any environmentally unfriendly products. Income tax for very high earners should be reduced, I can't understand why people are penalized for doing well, although I do understand the ethic of the rich providing for the poor to some extent, it is pointless to tax very high earners to the extent that they leave the country and end up paying no tax, while they live in tax havens.
OK, I could go on for hours, but it's safe to say that no party is going to provide a manifesto that even comes close to providing what I want to see, so it's a question of choosing the party that I disagree with the least.
I'm not sure how to achieve my political goals. Should I start my own party and hope that enough people agree with me (highly unlikely) that the party grows quickly and becomes a realistic alternative or should I join another party in an attempt to ascend the ranks and change the party from within. I would certainly like to get into politics, but maybe I should make sure that there is nothing else I would prefer first. Most things would be better than plumbing.
OK, I think one of the problems is that many people vote without knowing what they are voting for. I remember several years ago watching a pre-election programme where they were interviewing members of the public and when asked a woman said "I'm gonna vote for David Steele, I like him". As if that's a good reason to vote for someone, especially as she didn't even know him well enough to form an opinion about whether or not she liked him. As far as I am concerned, people should have to earn their vote by proving their knowledge of party policies. Admittedly many people wouldn't be bothered to make any effort, but that is a good thing, at least the vote would be made by an educated electorate.
As far as policies are concerned, I think we should go into the EU, it's a step towards my end hope of a global government. I agree with Paul, that we are far better off as part of a larger community than on our own and I feel that any arguements against it are racist, but then I think that patriotism is racist. I think immigrants from any country should be able to come here, as many as they like. I don't believe that humans own the world and I don't believe that one human should be able to tell another where in the world he can or can't go. I don't however think that immigrnats should be entitled to any benefits other than the health service until they have paid # amount of National Insurance. That said I don't think there should be a National Health Service. I think it should be privatised, but that Health Insurance should be comulsory and people recieving certain benefits, such as pensioners, disability benefits, etc. should have their medical insurance provided by the governement. Likewise, I don't think unemployed people should receive benefits for sitting on their arse all day. They should be entitled to benefits, but should have to do government provided work to receive them. This could create problems in that they may not want to work, because they might think it's not like they can be sacked, which is why it should be based on a piece work principal, therefore they receive # amount of benefit based on their productivity. As far as taxes are concerned, it is possible to reduce taxes, this country is far from the most efficient in terms of government spending. That said, I think certain taxes are totally immoral, capital gains for one. Taxes on petrol, cigarettes, alcahol and luxury items should be further increased as they should for any environmentally unfriendly products. Income tax for very high earners should be reduced, I can't understand why people are penalized for doing well, although I do understand the ethic of the rich providing for the poor to some extent, it is pointless to tax very high earners to the extent that they leave the country and end up paying no tax, while they live in tax havens.
OK, I could go on for hours, but it's safe to say that no party is going to provide a manifesto that even comes close to providing what I want to see, so it's a question of choosing the party that I disagree with the least.
I'm not sure how to achieve my political goals. Should I start my own party and hope that enough people agree with me (highly unlikely) that the party grows quickly and becomes a realistic alternative or should I join another party in an attempt to ascend the ranks and change the party from within. I would certainly like to get into politics, but maybe I should make sure that there is nothing else I would prefer first. Most things would be better than plumbing.
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OK this is getting stupid - I got my 3rd polling card today, identical to the other one I've got here at uni. Obviously can still only vote once (or twice if I rushed home) but still this can't be right?!
Get postal vote and vote 3 times!
Actually, no, don't, you're voting UKIP!
Actually, no, don't, you're voting UKIP!
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You are right though I could do it. That is totally wrong, surely this should be big news if it's happening everywhere?
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