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AV voting?

Alternative Vote vs First Past The Post

  • Yes, AV.

    Votes: 19 42.2%

  • No, FPTP

    Votes: 19 42.2%

  • Other, Don't Care, Undecided

    Votes: 7 15.6%
  • Total voters
    45
about the cost, i had a leaflet the other day about saying NO to AV and there biggest point was the cost and they said that loads of money will need to be spent on electronic counting machines :confused: there hand counted now and why cant AV be hand counted

tbh the whole leaflet was rubbish and i just wondered how much they spent on designing printing and delivering a leaflet that was basically about unnecessary costs :ROFLMAO:
 
Argonought said:
AV is not proportional though (like STV) so it wouldn't have made a major change - just resolved tactical voting.
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Technically STV is not proportional either. The way I see it is we are looking at going from a broken system to an even more broken system. If most people vote for one party then surely they should be elected even if they have to go into coalition (like the current govt), not the party who got the second or third most votes. At least with a coalition comprimises are being made, if the 2nd or 3rd choice party gets elected then they are free to introduce the policies that most people didnt vote for as their first preferance.

Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
 
tarbyonline said:
If most people vote for one party then surely they should be elected even if they have to go into coalition (like the current govt), not the party who got the second or third most votes. At least with a coalition comprimises are being made, if the 2nd or 3rd choice party gets elected then they are free to introduce the policies that most people didnt vote for as their first preferance.
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Yes; but AV is member based. You are simply electing the most popular member for any given constituency - rather than electing someone who the majority possibly don't want (FPTP).

Remember the 2nd and 3rd choices are relative to the voter. If that person made them then it's pretty safe to assume they're happy about their choice. (not to be confused with the Australian version which makes full listing mandatory :yuck:).

Not quite sure I understand your last point as under AV parliamentary representation is still a direct result of elected MPs (perhaps you were referring to STV?)

Over here, I get the impression the electorate don't understand the notion of compromise (within a coalition) ;)

Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
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Couldn't agree more (y)
 
tarbyonline said:
Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
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Argonought said:
Couldn't agree more (y)
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I presume that would be PR voting then. Which im am much more for (y)
 
russ12 said:
I presume that would be PR voting then. Which im am much more for (y)
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As, I think, would most average folk as it is without doubt the fairest way, but of course this reform (and the AV option) would have been a compromise brought about via the coalition "you can have your referendum but you can have it our way". If Lib Dems had gotten in on their own I can imagine some form of PR would have been the subject of these reforms instead.
 
Eklipze3k said:
As, I think, would most average folk as it is without doubt the fairest way, but of course this reform (and the AV option) would have been a compromise brought about via the coalition "you can have your referendum but you can have it our way". If Lib Dems had gotten in on their own I can imagine some form of PR would have been the subject of these reforms instead.
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Very true - but it's looking a bit bleak for the Lid Dems at the moment - especially with a likely NO result later today - which means electoral reform is not likely to happen in many peoples lifetimes :(

In a sick sort of way though these are interesting times :chin:

If the Lib Dems make a deal with Ed Miliband to bring in electoral reform (as part of their manifesto) then they could find some excuse to bring down the government and it becomes a virtual certainly Labour will get back in. Lib Dems will be destroyed in the process but will still have won the war (on reform). It would also teach Cameron a lesson for all this back stabbing of Clegg over this AV referendum

4/5 years later they can try to get their old seats back and maybe a few more :)

I think during part of this process it might be an idea to buy plenty of gold though :D
 
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If this had been an AV poll and the 3 people that voted "Other" had put "NO" as their 2nd choice. The "NOs" would have won with 17 votes (51.51%). :) Despite only 14 people (42.42%) actually wanting "NO" originally. :confused:
 
Eklipze3k said:
Very wierd as the only people on my FB I've seen discussing it have all been "YES"'s :confused:
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Probably as people who want change are more vocal. That and not everybody is on facebook and its more likely to be young people.

We still havent got a single result in NI.

EDIT: Some places are just STARTING to count the ballots. First turnout figures are coming through. AV vote looks like going to no over here too, but its VERY early days
 
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tarbyonline said:
Probably as people who want change are more vocal. That and not everybody is on facebook and its more likely to be young people.

We still havent got a single result in NI.
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I went to 3 meetings and YES predominated there too so there is a strong move for electoral reform - although I think more for PR.

NI result should be interesting as I think you said you use STV already?
.....and are the Lib Dems unpopular in NI?
 
Argonought said:
I went to 3 meetings and YES predominated there too so there is a strong move for electoral reform - although I think more for PR.

NI result should be interesting as I think you said you use STV already?
.....and are the Lib Dems unpopular in NI?
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We dont even have the lib dems over here though they are allies of "alliance". Labour are allied to the "SDLP" and Conservatives were allied to "UUP" in the westminster elections but are running seperately this time so not sure whats going on there.

I doubt AV preferences will have much effect on the parties elected in NI. Its too distant from us (remember we are electing our assembley as well as councils).

The point I made about everybody getting in was in relation to the likes of the "womens coalition", the "PUP" got in to the assembly (they are directly linked to the UVF) with just 0.6% of the vote in 2007. This year we have a total of 14 parties standing (plus 15 independants) for election to the assembly so its a little more complicated over here. THe STV system vastly increases the opportunity for small parties to get elected, hence why UKIP are pushing it in the UK.

Last constituency has finally started counting!
 
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