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View Poll Results: Alternative Vote vs First Past The Post
Yes, AV. 19 42.22%
No, FPTP 19 42.22%
Other, Don't Care, Undecided 7 15.56%
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Old 06-05-2011   #16
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Re: AV voting?

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Green party, the environmentalists love them,
Hypocrites! Our local GP candidate publishes a magazine which is delivered to every house in our postcode wether you want it or not. Not exactly environmentally friendly.

Their strategy over here is hilarious. Basically they want to stop concentrating on the economy (their words) and instead concentrate on insulating everybodys houses and planting more trees.

So, it doesnt matter if you cant afford to eat or feed your children so long as we can plant trees. Oh and all this insulating will create jobs apparently. Im sure the German economy (via Knauf) will benefit greatly from their plan! So what happens when everybodys house is insulated. Well, we wont need all those people to insulate houses, and guess what we dont need as much gas or oil or electricity so they can loose their jobs as well. Great strategy that!

Anyways, Im way off topic but these guys take me to the fair!
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Re: AV voting?

bit late now but what happens if you dont pick a second choice, is your vote canceled?
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Re: AV voting?

I voted no, just because I think that the amount of money it would cost to change the system could be better spent elsewhere . . . on equipment for the armed forces for example.

Or getting rid of all the potholes
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bit late now but what happens if you dont pick a second choice, is your vote canceled?
as far as im aware with AV if you just put one vote down then your vote basically becomes first past the post
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As we already have a version of this over here for our elections (single transferrable vote) I say no, else every idiot gets in (we use it for council and assembly elections).
AV is not proportional though (like STV) so it wouldn't have made a major change - just resolved tactical voting.

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bit late now but what happens if you dont pick a second choice, is your vote canceled?
just counts the same as now although not sure what happens if you put an "X" instead of "1"

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I voted no, just because I think that the amount of money it would cost to change the system could be better spent elsewhere . . . on equipment for the armed forces for example.

Or getting rid of all the potholes
The cost argument has been accepted as made up by the NO campaign.

What's dumb is that most of it has just been spent (on the Referendum itself) so if the answer is NO then it really was a waste.
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about the cost, i had a leaflet the other day about saying NO to AV and there biggest point was the cost and they said that loads of money will need to be spent on electronic counting machines there hand counted now and why cant AV be hand counted

tbh the whole leaflet was rubbish and i just wondered how much they spent on designing printing and delivering a leaflet that was basically about unnecessary costs
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just counts the same as now although not sure what happens if you put an "X" instead of "1"
Going from the NI experience the vote will be spoiled.
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Re: AV voting?

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AV is not proportional though (like STV) so it wouldn't have made a major change - just resolved tactical voting.
Technically STV is not proportional either. The way I see it is we are looking at going from a broken system to an even more broken system. If most people vote for one party then surely they should be elected even if they have to go into coalition (like the current govt), not the party who got the second or third most votes. At least with a coalition comprimises are being made, if the 2nd or 3rd choice party gets elected then they are free to introduce the policies that most people didnt vote for as their first preferance.

Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
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If most people vote for one party then surely they should be elected even if they have to go into coalition (like the current govt), not the party who got the second or third most votes. At least with a coalition comprimises are being made, if the 2nd or 3rd choice party gets elected then they are free to introduce the policies that most people didnt vote for as their first preferance.
Yes; but AV is member based. You are simply electing the most popular member for any given constituency - rather than electing someone who the majority possibly don't want (FPTP).

Remember the 2nd and 3rd choices are relative to the voter. If that person made them then it's pretty safe to assume they're happy about their choice. (not to be confused with the Australian version which makes full listing mandatory ).

Not quite sure I understand your last point as under AV parliamentary representation is still a direct result of elected MPs (perhaps you were referring to STV?)

Over here, I get the impression the electorate don't understand the notion of compromise (within a coalition)

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Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
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Re: AV voting?

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Personally I would just like to see them do away with electing the government based on seats and instead electing them based on the total votes for each party. Surely that represents the will of the people better than anything.
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Couldn't agree more
I presume that would be PR voting then. Which im am much more for
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I presume that would be PR voting then. Which im am much more for
As, I think, would most average folk as it is without doubt the fairest way, but of course this reform (and the AV option) would have been a compromise brought about via the coalition "you can have your referendum but you can have it our way". If Lib Dems had gotten in on their own I can imagine some form of PR would have been the subject of these reforms instead.
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As, I think, would most average folk as it is without doubt the fairest way, but of course this reform (and the AV option) would have been a compromise brought about via the coalition "you can have your referendum but you can have it our way". If Lib Dems had gotten in on their own I can imagine some form of PR would have been the subject of these reforms instead.
Very true - but it's looking a bit bleak for the Lid Dems at the moment - especially with a likely NO result later today - which means electoral reform is not likely to happen in many peoples lifetimes

In a sick sort of way though these are interesting times

If the Lib Dems make a deal with Ed Miliband to bring in electoral reform (as part of their manifesto) then they could find some excuse to bring down the government and it becomes a virtual certainly Labour will get back in. Lib Dems will be destroyed in the process but will still have won the war (on reform). It would also teach Cameron a lesson for all this back stabbing of Clegg over this AV referendum

4/5 years later they can try to get their old seats back and maybe a few more

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Re: AV voting?

‎50/440 districts - Yes: 29.67% No: 70.33%
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‎50/440 districts - Yes: 29.67% No: 70.33%
Very wierd as the only people on my FB I've seen discussing it have all been "YES"'s
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Re: AV voting?

Ive heard a majority for YES too..

101/440 - Yes: 29.93% No: 70.06%
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