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Yes - They should be on when ever a vehicles engine is running 30 28.57%
Yes - But they should be a configurable user option so the driver can have them on or off 33 31.43%
No - Drivers should be allowed to choose when they believe vehicle lighting should be used 29 27.62%
No - The use of DRL's will increase the number of motor cycle accidents 9 8.57%
No - The use of DRL's will affect the plannet and drivers pocket through the use of extra fuel 4 3.81%
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Old 05-03-2010   #31
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

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Agreed, obviously in ideal conditions I be worried if someone couldn't see a car, but what does one concider ideal visability conditions. I personally see bright sunny days as not being ideal at times.

Over exposure by bright sun (not sure the technical terms), but also, sun reflecting brightly off of other objects (be it cars or other things), and that relection causing a dazzleing affect. Much the same as poorly alligned headlamps do at night.



Which in turn could dazzle other road users and prevent them from seeing other moving cars etc?



I just want to say, incase its coming across that way, I'm not trying to say people are wrong when I question what they say, or give examples like above, just trying to see if anyone can then turn around what I've said in reply incase I've overseen something.

thats the problem, there is, im guessing many arguments about 'ideal conditions'. when i say ideal conditions i mainly mean daylight, maybe cloudy, but not raining, because i think that warrants sidelights. i dont think bright days as such count as poor visibility, unless the sun id dazzling you. but even if the sun id dazzling you, having sidelights on wont improve visibility i dont think?

i dont think your saying people are wrong its good to question points and things
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

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thats the problem, there is, im guessing many arguments about 'ideal conditions'. when i say ideal conditions i mainly mean daylight, maybe cloudy, but not raining, because i think that warrants sidelights. i dont think bright days as such count as poor visibility, unless the sun id dazzling you. but even if the sun id dazzling you, having sidelights on wont improve visibility i dont think?

i dont think your saying people are wrong its good to question points and things

notice you have a gray car is it just me or do some colours Gray, black, dark blue, Silver seem to blend in to the road in certain conditions?

Gray/silver cars in particular in fog/heavy spray

i run my headlights most of the time especially going to and from work as the sun is low in the sky blinding oncoming car drivers so anything you can do to be seen is a bonus in my eyes
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Other than for "styling" i see no reason for DRL.

Like most others have said, if people cant see a car coming in daylight then there dog is ment to help em out.

for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.

I cant see DRL's saving any lives, if any it might cause a few more accidents due to the old boy going down the road thinking look at all these twonks with there headlights on during the day *flash flash* and slamming into the back of a parked car, ive been flashed once so far with my Evos running lights, but they are configurable so i could turn them off if i wanted.
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

They are a good idea. Headlights on all the time on bikes have been standard for years. Yeah people should see cars but sometimes they don't. Lights on all the time makes your car more noticeable to other people, how could anyone not want that?

Yeah you might not like LEDs but get used to them as you wont have a choice soon My lights stay on all the time anyway so they don't bother me. I don't really understand why people get annoyed at others having their lights on all the time. What difference does it make to you?
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where lights are on, you stop the ability to see behind the light. DRL's are less of an issue, but unnecessary headlights on makes the road unsafer in general. Headlights are to see more road...if you turn them off and you can see the same amount of road then in my opinion they are unnecessary. Just think, in the lane you are in you can see all the cars up to a mile ahead...and what each car is doing...just based on two 5watt red lights. Why do we need 110watts of blinding light coming out of each oncoming car if there are streetlamps? My dad tells me they used to only use sidelights in towns, and headlights when needed..but not sure i believe him :-)
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

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Other than for "styling" i see no reason for DRL.

Like most others have said, if people cant see a car coming in daylight then there dog is ment to help em out.

for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.

I cant see DRL's saving any lives, if any it might cause a few more accidents due to the old boy going down the road thinking look at all these twonks with there headlights on during the day *flash flash* and slamming into the back of a parked car, ive been flashed once so far with my Evos running lights, but they are configurable so i could turn them off if i wanted.
So if you have the option to turn them off, and you don't see the point in them, why do you get flashed for having your headlights on??

My Fiat is so small, that anything to help me be seen, and kept out of somebodies wheel arches is a bonus in my eyes.
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where lights are on, you stop the ability to see behind the light. DRL's are less of an issue, but unnecessary headlights on makes the road unsafer in general. Headlights are to see more road...if you turn them off and you can see the same amount of road then in my opinion they are unnecessary. Just think, in the lane you are in you can see all the cars up to a mile ahead...and what each car is doing...just based on two 5watt red lights. Why do we need 110watts of blinding light coming out of each oncoming car if there are streetlamps? My dad tells me they used to only use sidelights in towns, and headlights when needed..but not sure i believe him :-)
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I drive round in a bright yellow car that can't be missed, but i ALWAYS turn my sidelights on when I start the car. Then people have no excuse not to see me. At the end of the day using DRL's or sidelights isn't going to have much of an adverse effect to the driver, not a big enough one to notice so why not just use them?
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for dusk driving there great, as a huge amount of drivers neglect to put on there headlights until its properly dark... but a simple light sensor would solve that.
But what I see as more of a concern is Rain/spray and fog.

All of which you can get in bright conditions, but where visability is severly reduced and light being on help, but none of these auto lights currently fitted to some cars work as 'lux' level is bright enough.

A friend has a 206 with auto everything, and in my opinion the lights don't come on early enough when getting dark.
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Ever thought your opinion may be wrong? Lights might be auto but there is nothing stopping you turning them on yourself.
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as long as they are LED i don't mind. I drive with my sidelights on all the time, and when i used normal bulbs - it damaged the bulb holders after a while.
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Ever thought your opinion may be wrong? Lights might be auto but there is nothing stopping you turning them on yourself.
I know you can turn them on manually, but defeats the whole 'Auto' thing.
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Hardy. Its not there to replace your own judgement is it? All the cars we have with auto lights on put them on when its not very dark at all.
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notice you have a gray car is it just me or do some colours Gray, black, dark blue, Silver seem to blend in to the road in certain conditions?

Gray/silver cars in particular in fog/heavy spray

i run my headlights most of the time especially going to and from work as the sun is low in the sky blinding oncoming car drivers so anything you can do to be seen is a bonus in my eyes
mines light azzure blue but i bet it reflects light and can dazzle others. someone needs to experiemnt with this, because if the sun id dazzling, you wont see headlights surely, as headlights are nowhere ear as powerful or bright as the sun, so wont be seen over the dazzliness of the sun. (if that makes sense)
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you wont see headlights surely, as headlights are nowhere ear as powerful or bright as the sun, so wont be seen over the dazzliness of the sun. (if that makes sense)
Depends where sun is reflecting. If off windscreen you'll see lights still, as dazzle doesn't just block your vision compleatly in the day.
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