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View Poll Results: Do you agree with the plans to fit DRL's to all new cars from Feb 2011?
Yes - They should be on when ever a vehicles engine is running 30 28.57%
Yes - But they should be a configurable user option so the driver can have them on or off 33 31.43%
No - Drivers should be allowed to choose when they believe vehicle lighting should be used 29 27.62%
No - The use of DRL's will increase the number of motor cycle accidents 9 8.57%
No - The use of DRL's will affect the plannet and drivers pocket through the use of extra fuel 4 3.81%
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Old 02-03-2010   #16
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Re: Daytime Running Lamps [DRL's]

About 15 years ago, Greyhound Bus Lines in the USA tested driving with lights on during daytime.
After some time they found that headlights on saved lots of life's and other damage....!!
I know we don't live in the USA, but I run daylights for about 10 years now.
It costs me two sets of ( expensive) Osram Nightbreaker bulbs every year, but it gives me peace of mind.
(And I DO drive a motorbike as well....with lights always on, of course.)

In Sweden and Norway, after starting a car, the headlights turn on automatically, it's the law overthere for many years now.
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definate daylight running light should be law you can miss a car with the lights off especially the twonks that forget to put there main lights when its dusk or even night seen it they must eat a lots of carrots drl's would help but they have to be energy efficent led's that run on an alternative power similar to the way a bicycle light works oh thats it a dynamo which its energy can be stored in a battery pack when its running and when vehicle is at standstill it starts using the stored energy
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

I don't understand how people have formed the opinion of them looking stupid?
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Re: DayTime Running Lamps [DRL's]

if people cant see other cars and people clear enough not to hit them in daylight, then should they really be driving?
imo i dont think it will change stats by much, if at all, as people will still drive the same, which in effect is why people crash, through bad judgement and stupidity, not bad vision.
If its a further 160 pound a year, then it sounds like another tax if you ask me.
thats just my opinion though
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I learnt to drive in a Volvo, which has the headlights hard wired on, so I have got into the habit of turning headlights on in every car I drive, especially the X1/9, as it is so small. The cost of the electricity to run them is negligible, and if it saves me an accident, then it is well worth the cost I reckon.
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I think that DRLs should also incorporate the turning on of rear lights. If nothing else it would prevent people who forget/refuse to turn their lights on in dark/rainy conditions being invisible.

Where did the £160pa increase in fuel costs come from, America? I have worked out that at an average of £1.10 per litre equals approx 32 GALLONS of fuel.

That is a lot of fuel just to power 2X27W (in my case) bulbs for a year.
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i voted drivers should chose whant lights to use as i do couldnt be hacked going into a dahs menu to turn them off in bright sun shine nor have them permenantly on howether i dont mind them being introduced as long as there disableable buy the driver as i said bright sun shine mid day driving they look stupid any other time they look ok

on the other hand unless again mid day bright sun shine i have my side lights (incidentally led lighting low consumption) on continuously it makes me easier to see i'm sure
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Maybe instead of DRL's. AL's? Automated lights!

They turn on after a certain degree of light has gone. all it would need is a light sensor connected to some lights.
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Quote Originally Posted by Percyhahn View Post
if people cant see other cars and people clear enough not to hit them in daylight, then should they really be driving?
imo i dont think it will change stats by much, if at all, as people will still drive the same, which in effect is why people crash, through bad judgement and stupidity, not bad vision.
Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.

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i voted drivers should chose whant lights to use as i do couldnt be hacked going into a dahs menu to turn them off in bright sun shine nor have them permenantly on howether i dont mind them being introduced as long as there disableable buy the driver as i said bright sun shine mid day driving they look stupid any other time they look ok

on the other hand unless again mid day bright sun shine i have my side lights (incidentally led lighting low consumption) on continuously it makes me easier to see i'm sure
So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?
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Maybe instead of DRL's. AL's? Automated lights!

They turn on after a certain degree of light has gone. all it would need is a light sensor connected to some lights.

So many cars have auto lights etc at the mo, but they don't operate until its too dark in my opinion. And visability isn't linked to brightness is it? Piddling down with rain, can't see other cars due to the rain, but still bright enough for auto lights to think they don't need to be on
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Look stupid and chav tastic even on Audi's. They could use LED's which would cause minimal electrical current usage and thus less demand on the vehicles alternator.
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Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.



So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?
to a certain extent they are linked yes i agree, but vision is seeing the car coming towards you as you are about to overtake, judgement is the decision to overtake and the act of overtaking itself. the point i was making is that if you cant see that car coming in the daylight with normal visibility when the car is visible, when people dont have their lights on, then should you be driving without glasses/at all?
iv noticed that of a night time, side lights are near enough invisible from a not very far distance. if thats the case in the night, how are they going to be at all effective of a day?
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Are they not something that are linked? I know that I make judgements on my vision and what I can and cannot see.

Saying people will still drive the same is a big assumption. I doubt there will be as many head on overtake collisions if cars can be seen better.



So why turn them off in bright sunlight? Often bright sunlight is what masks visability on a summers day is it not?
just figured my cars either guna be lit up buy the sun or reflecting the sun so either way a moving bright object and that would only be an idue in low level sun in witch case people should be watchin were there going with extra care i dont htink lights would overpower or be usefull in overpowering sunlight sometimes i forget to turn them off thou so not all the time i always have them on on motorways dual cariageways reardless
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Whilst a lot of studies have been done on individual companies/brands or people using them, I wonder whether this will be negated when everyone is being mandated to use them?
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to a certain extent they are linked yes i agree, but vision is seeing the car coming towards you as you are about to overtake, judgement is the decision to overtake and the act of overtaking itself. the point i was making is that if you cant see that car coming in the daylight with normal visibility when the car is visible, when people dont have their lights on, then should you be driving without glasses/at all?
Agreed, obviously in ideal conditions I be worried if someone couldn't see a car, but what does one concider ideal visability conditions. I personally see bright sunny days as not being ideal at times.

Over exposure by bright sun (not sure the technical terms), but also, sun reflecting brightly off of other objects (be it cars or other things), and that relection causing a dazzleing affect. Much the same as poorly alligned headlamps do at night.

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or reflecting the sun
Which in turn could dazzle other road users and prevent them from seeing other moving cars etc?



I just want to say, incase its coming across that way, I'm not trying to say people are wrong when I question what they say, or give examples like above, just trying to see if anyone can then turn around what I've said in reply incase I've overseen something.
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