GPS 1.4 T-JET or GPS 1.9 M-JET

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GPS 1.4 T-JET or GPS 1.9 M-JET

GPS 1.4 T-JET or GPS 1.9 M-JET

  • 1.4 T Jet

    Votes: 63 59.4%
  • 1.9 M Jet

    Votes: 43 40.6%

  • Total voters
    106
Was having browse through this thread and I can't believe this quote.

Lancia integrale EVO 215bhp 0-60 5.7secs, one of the quickest cross country cars ever made, less than the 220bhp quoted you think some remapped tractor is quicker :confused:

Honda integra Type R only a paltry 187bhp, often quoted as one of the best FWD cars ever built, low 6's 0-60 near 150mhp top end, only has 135lb ft torque poor little thing.

Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo 220bhp, and again dam quick.

The list is endless of cars that have same/less than the quoted 220bhp petrol car that would obliterate a remapped Punto diesel.

And even 2L TDI VAG stuff is not that quick, had many a laugh in my turbo Cinq easily getting away from said TDI's, they were especially slow out of corners.

When it comes down to it, diesel cars do not deliver the visceral delights of a petrol engine. They often do not handle as well as diesel engines weight far more than petrol equivalents, look at kerb weights of similar models in range often the petrol is some 100-150kgs lighter, and as most of these cars are front engine fwd the weight distribution is very poor when adding even more weight up front.

Diesel engines are also much more expensive to produce, this cost is generally passed onto customer, so cars more expensive to buy, servicing is often more expensive, the added weight and the torque rich characteristics of diesels means tyres have a much harder life, so need changing more often, is some cases they last half as long on lighter, freer spinning petrol siblings.

And with diesels costing now about 15p a liter more the extra cost of buying car, running said car, you would need to cover something like 25+K miles a year over about 3 years to make it even worth while. In fact that Martin Lewis the money saving expert guy said pretty much that the other day on TV, diesel only make sense to very high mileage drivers, so don't believe the marketing hype from manufacturers.

Plus 5TH Gear showed that even the Polo Blue Motion did only a true 46mpg over a week, no where near the 76mpg quoted by VAG. they are not actually as efficient as you are lead to believe. A diesel is only 18% efficient a petrol 17%, this is the amount of power produced during the cycle, the rest is wasted in producing heat.

I'm pretty suprised augusto came out with that quote.

Tbh that quote means nothing, weight counts for everything and torque even more so in diesels. You can't possibly say 'it will be beat any 220bhp petrol'. A petrol what? lorry? caterham? and geared how?

BUT don't underestimate the GPS Multijet. i've suprised many a car in mine. There are a few on this forum who can confirm this.
 
surely the T-Jet will also be remappable in the near future?

Chris


They need a new Turbo as the one on it is at the maximum of its performance. Also i belive GSR are having problems with the ECU putting itself into safe mode when they are mapping it aswell so they are having to overcome this atm.
 
I'm pretty suprised augusto came out with that quote.

Tbh that quote means nothing, weight counts for everything and torque even more so in diesels. You can't possibly say 'it will be beat any 220bhp petrol'. A petrol what? lorry? caterham? and geared how?

BUT don't underestimate the GPS Multijet. i've suprised many a car in mine. There are a few on this forum who can confirm this.

Me too almost making me believe he didn't say it tbh.
 
I would definately choose a T-Jet because now here in Italy, Diesel costs as much (and sometimes more) than Petrol, so with the added cost of the Diesel engine it is not convenient anymore to go that way if one doesn't make big mileages per year.
Also, I do prefer an engine with power peak at higher revving, and also dislike the "noise" of diesel engines :)
 
Do you think i'm better waiting for the series 2 GPS or just get the current version?
 
Basically I am 26 - I own a Mjet, and its the one I want and the one I think is best.

But, a few years ago i would have got the Tjet, both because of my age and becuase diesels werent what they are now.
 
you can't compare a 1.4 to a 1.9! both are turboed so it clearly shows the fact that petrol engines shouldn't be underrated. diesel engines need to be bigger, to make a straight comparison you need to compare same capacity engines! and i'm sure the petrol would win in almost every category(y)
 
Although I have just voted for the TJet as it is the one we have, the low down grunt of a good diesel is hard to beat.
Also the TJet could do with having the extra gear as well for more relaxed cruising.
 
Which is the more fun to drive
the petrol.

its nice when the question is phrased in a way that makes it very easy to answer.

i hate it when someone asks "which is best" because neither is best, it depends what you want.

if you want to have fun driving then the petrol is best, that isnt really a question that should need to be asked.

more even weight distribution improves handling, less weight overall improves acceleration and handling and braking, flatter power and torque curves mean it is easier to be 'at the right rpm' in any situation, petrol rev range makes life easier because you have fewer inappropriately times gear changes especially on a twisty B road (the perfect place to find out what a car is really made of), better gear ratios mean you can change the rev range position to suit the condition more easily so you're 'always in the right gear', the list goes on. these things are common to the petrol/diesel debate on pretty much any car. the petrol version is always better suited to enthusiastic driving, the diesel is always better suited to long distance and motorway driving.


on the other hand i love driving yet i still think a diesel is an appropriate choice for me. why? because modern diesels may not be quite as good as the petrol version for the fun times, but the overall package is better suited to real life driving. as much as i like to think i'm on a track 24/7 in reality 80% of my time behind the wheel is spent doing normal everyday driving, and tbh a diesel car is better for that situation in terms of cost and ease. as long as it can also let you have fun when needs be then it doesnt really matter if the petrol version could come along and overtake you, you're still having fun in your diesel. if i was choosing a track car then the petrol would win, but for a road car i think the diesel version is often the real winner. again this applies to the petrol/diesel debate for all cars not just the GP.
 
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i use my GPS M-JET (which i`ve renamed to a PS190) as i got the engine remapped and a new air system as i didn`t like the short gear ratio, mostly on the motorways and it is a solid performer. Performs alot better and the turbo is capable of sucking in small children off the street which is sweet i have also managed to up my MPG too which is always a winner
 
i use my GPS M-JET (which i`ve renamed to a PS190) as i got the engine remapped and a new air system as i didn`t like the short gear ratio, mostly on the motorways and it is a solid performer. Performs alot better and the turbo is capable of sucking in small children off the street which is sweet i have also managed to up my MPG too which is always a winner

PS190.....? Playstation? :confused: Its a Punto Mk3... thats all folks.
 
at the end of the day. its allways going to be personal preference and driving styles.

id say m-jet is best suited for cruising, and the t-jet is best suited for fast road use.

i say this as i won a t-jet, and find it brilliant around towns and b-roads etc.

but as iwork for fiat when i travel long distances, i choose the m-jet over the t-jet everytime as it is easier to drive on motorways etc.

running cost doesnt waver my opinion either.
 
M-jet for me, drove one a while back.

when you can have near 200bhp (mapped) and do well over 50mpg in an insurance goup 6 car, nothing else comes close for me.

and yeh i know before anyone mentioned insurance groups, they aren't much use at all lol.
 
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Tjet is group 6? and can get 50mph aswell :p

Majority of mjet struggle to get into low 40s when they arent on long motorway runs from what i have read on here. I can get mid 30s in mine now its run in if i drive it sensible. You can also have near 200bhp in a Tjet aswell :p
 
Tjet is group 6? and can get 50mph aswell :p

Majority of mjet struggle to get into low 40s when they arent on long motorway runs from what i have read on here. I can get mid 30s in mine now its run in if i drive it sensible. You can also have near 200bhp in a Tjet aswell :p

yeah so the mjet does much better mpg, bags more torque and it's a diesel so clutches and stuff last longer.

plus round here bio diesel is 70ppl
 
Not when you map it to 200bhp. The clutch wont last alot longer. As i said They get about 40 not over 50mpg like you say. If your comparing standard to standard then a Tjet is faster in a straight line and through corners plus alot more fun to drive. But then as said time and time again it depends what you use it for. Motorway miles get a Mjet. Anything else Tjet.
 
Not when you map it to 200bhp. The clutch wont last alot longer. As i said They get about 40 not over 50mpg like you say. If your comparing standard to standard then a Tjet is faster in a straight line and through corners plus alot more fun to drive. But then as said time and time again it depends what you use it for. Motorway miles get a Mjet. Anything else Tjet.

lol, my arse do they do 40 mpg, t-jets are under powered for being petrol turbos. why do you have to drive on a motorway for it to be any good?

going off your sig yours is just over 150hp? so that will be faster in a straight line than a near 200hp mjet?

ooookayy
 
Read properly i said standard to standard not tuned :rolleyes: And Mjet do only get 40s, they dont get over 50 look through how many threads on here people are complaining about mpg stats:rolleyes:

Motorway because they got a heavy engine up front and understeer alot easier in corners than a Tjet does. Why are Tjets underpowered? They are 140bhp as standard not the 120 fiat quote. I take it you have driven one to compare against an Mjet and say its underpowered? :rolleyes:
 
Read properly i said standard to standard not tuned :rolleyes: And Mjet do only get 40s, they dont get over 50 look through how many threads on here people are complaining about mpg stats:rolleyes:

Motorway because they got a heavy engine up front and understeer alot easier in corners than a Tjet does. Why are Tjets underpowered? They are 140bhp as standard not the 120 fiat quote. I take it you have driven one to compare against an Mjet and say its underpowered? :rolleyes:

why compare to standard when yours isnt standard and i was on about a remapped one.

right so.. the mjet, which is near 200bhp, cheaper to insure, will use less fuel, and will last longer is somehow not as good as the t-jet?

right then.

as for not driving one, no i haven't, why do i need to drive it to think it's underpowered, it's 120bhp from a 1.4 turbo, the punto GT was 130bhp! years ago!

corsa GSis are 130bhp and they're 1.6 n/as!
 
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