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meter might be slow to register some of the cheaper ones are. As long as it starts winding down as soon as the engine starts I wouldn't go any further with the meter

the pressure switch should be either open or closed
 
the noise

does it alter in neutral. Clutch in vs clutch out

does the noise change with engine revs

post you video to YouTube and link to it. Is what I normally do for forums.


any change with different gears
 
koalar said:
meter might be slow to register some of the cheaper ones are. As long as it starts winding down as soon as the engine starts I wouldn't go any further with the meter

the pressure switch should be either open or closed
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Ok got a good connection on metre today and it went straight from 0.00 to 1. When started.
 
plug the sensor back in.

work out why the dash is reporting it wrongly shortly

the noise. standing in front is it on the left or right side

does it sound more towards the front, centre back ?

is it effect by switching any of the electrics ? heater blower, aircon if you have it.

clutch up or down

worse at raised engine revs.

any oil drops at the bottom of the engine or gearbox

are the drive shafts damp

give the car a good visual inspection around the car top and bottom

The cars has just had a clutch and the noise only happened afterwards doesn't give me a Good feeling.

I might start by checking the gearbox has been refilled with oil. As it is drained for the clutch
 
I removed the oil filter today and to me this doesn’t look right please could you look at the pictures? Thanks

Regarding the noise it isn’t there for a few seconds when car is started but the oil light is on. After a quiet few seconds the oil light goes out and the noise starts. It does Seam to nearly disappear when engine is warm.

I think it’s coming from the left hand side front can hear it fairly loud if you put a screwdriver on the left hand side of the sump which is underneath oil filter housing/ oil filler spout.
 

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Photo 2 looking inside the housing cap. The pressure relieve valve is missing.

I guess the paper cartridge was a little tight to pull off. It’s fairly normal for the plastics to change size slightly affecting the fit.

Both the relieve valve and housing are available for purchase. Which points to other relieve valves needing to be changed

Personally I would replace the whole housing cap. Probably from a breakers.
 
koalar said:
Photo 2 looking inside the housing cap. The pressure relieve valve is missing.

I guess the paper cartridge was a little tight to pull off. It’s fairly normal for the plastics to change size slightly affecting the fit.

Both the relieve valve and housing are available for purchase. Which points to other relieve valves needing to be changed

Personally I would replace the whole housing cap. Probably from a breakers.
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Ok thanks wasn’t tight to remove as I unscrewed it just all sprung out if you look at picture 3 that’s a spring type thing that was just loose and fell out.

I’ve ordered a cap which has the spring actually attached to the inside of the cap is that correct?

My plan is changing the oil and filter next to see if that makes any difference with the oil light and noise.

Do you know where the gearbox oil top up plug is please so I can check they have filled the oil back up.

I’ve only had the car 11 months with absolutely no history with it and all I know is that it stood for about 5 months before I brought it so the oil could be years old.

Thanks
 
Goudrons said:
Have you checked the heat exchanger under the oil filter housing/oil filler pipe?

They are prone to leaking and it might be causing a bit or aeration which is why the oil pressure sensor is lit up at cold start.
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Sorry for being vague I know exactly where you mean but what does it look like?

Thanks
 
l33rsk said:
I’ve ordered a cap which has the spring actually attached to the inside of the cap is that correct?

Do you know where the gearbox oil top up plug is please so I can check they have filled the oil back up.


Thanks
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save me trying to explain where there's some pictures here

https://www.fiatforum.com/punto-mk1-guides/102139-how-fill-gearbox-oil.html

with the car on the flat. The oil should be to the top of the hole.

easiest thing is to put a finger in. Depending how the changed the clutch the may have, Left the oil in, changed the oil or drained and reused.


The cap "should" come complete I believe. I have never had to order one. The only thing in there is the relieve spring (y)
 
l33rsk said:
I have had a look can’t see anything hanging off could you tell me the actual location please so I can make sure.

Thanks
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it attaches to the top of the gearbox, under the battery

all the power for the starter motor goes through it

Without it the car would not turn over. Or turn over slowly
 
l33rsk said:
Sorry for being vague I know exactly where you mean but what does it look like?

Thanks
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It's the part the oil filter housing is attached to, the heat exchanger part is directly underneath, a square metal box.

Looks like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393099168586

Coolant flows around the exchanger cooling the engine oil.

By the way you describe the sound and where it comes from, it's in that area.

I wonder if the oil filter and pump is draining back to the sump and it's taking a few minutes of running to prime itself again, that would explain the noise and the oil pressure light.

I presume there's the right level of oil, so the pickup pipe should be fully submerged.

By the pictures of your old oil filter, there's something not right there and I would think whatever valve stops the oil draining out of the filter back past the pump would be in that filter/heat exchanger housing??
 
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Goudrons said:
It's the part the oil filter housing is attached to, the heat exchanger part is directly underneath, a square metal box.

Looks like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393099168586

Coolant flows around the exchanger cooling the engine oil.

By the way you describe the sound and where it comes from, it's in that area.

I wonder if the oil filter and pump is draining back to the sump and it's taking a few minutes of running to prime itself again, that would explain the noise and the oil pressure light.

I presume there's the right level of oil, so the pickup pipe should be fully submerged.

By the pictures of your old oil filter, there's something not right there and I would think whatever valve stops the oil draining out of the filter back past the pump would be in that filter/heat exchanger housing??
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Pressure relieve valve. Bypasses the filter if blocked to stop the engine being staved of oil

Fairly common to get broken. filter should just push on and off. Overtime it changes size and the filter jams on.


I had a similar problem with a Panda fuel tank. The pump housing neck swelled up making changing the pump very difficult.
 
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Goudrons said:
It's the part the oil filter housing is attached to, the heat exchanger part is directly underneath, a square metal box.

Looks like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393099168586

Coolant flows around the exchanger cooling the engine oil.

By the way you describe the sound and where it comes from, it's in that area.

I wonder if the oil filter and pump is draining back to the sump and it's taking a few minutes of running to prime itself again, that would explain the noise and the oil pressure light.

I presume there's the right level of oil, so the pickup pipe should be fully submerged.

By the pictures of your old oil filter, there's something not right there and I would think whatever valve stops the oil draining out of the filter back past the pump would be in that filter/heat exchanger housing??
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I think that could be possible as mine are in 3 parts the oil filter a spring type thing which looks like it’s broken off the inside of the cap and then the cap itself.

My new cap arrived today and it’s all in 1 piece no separate spring.

I think I’ve got some oil dampness but that’s been there way before the problem started and the oil seams to stay on level.

Thanks
 
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Just wildly thinking.
If the oil filter design itself is the anti syphon and someone used the wrong filter, that might lead to the oil running back to the sump.

I know you have just changed the oil filter, but was it changed just prior to the problem starting?
 
Goudrons said:
Just wildly thinking.
If the oil filter design itself is the anti syphon and someone used the wrong filter, that might lead to the oil running back to the sump.

I know you have just changed the oil filter, but was it changed just prior to the problem starting?
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No I haven’t changed the oil and filter yet I opened the housing just to check Witch filter I needed to get.

The noise and the oil light only happened after I got the car back from having the clutch replaced prior to the clutch replacement the car was fine. Thanks
 
Got an update I have changed oil and replaced oil filter and housing. Still same noise and oil light behaviour.
I think it could be bad news !

Listening around the engine with a large screwdriver the sound seams to definitely be coming from the left hand side of the engine at the bottom if you hold the screwdriver on the lip of the sump.

Is it the oil pump and would this have got damaged when the clutch was changed?

Thanks
 
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