09 johno said:

I found a similar picture, I guess the insulator is removed the small brown wire fitted the insulator replaced then the main cables attached to the end of the stud.
if you look at the big metal ring, it is soldered to the terminal stub on the solonoid which is the normal place on most other vehicles to attach the ignition (brown) wire Fiat have just done something slightly different.

However, by the sound of it, you may have tried starting the car with the ignition wire hanging loose and touching earth which means a main fuse may have popped hence the lack of any power.

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koalar said:

I think we need to start at the beginning



the new and old starter are the same



the old one was fubar



doesn't help from this end of the keyboard



I don't even know if its cranking (Turning over)



after over 400,000 miles of Pandas and several years on here. I haven't as far as I remember seen or heard of a starter motor thats failed to start a car. The odds are against two





the things we have seen are skipped cam belts, flat batteries, faulty ignition switches and so on



without more information we are shooting blind



I was under the impression that if you turn the key the dash lights don't come on. Post 1. Is this correct. Without power to the ECU, Body computer and so on. Your not going to get anywhere

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EdwardHooper said:

starters are the same.


turning the key does absolutely nothing! fuel pump doesn’t even prime

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EdwardHooper said:

starters are the same.

old one was definitely fubar

car is not cranking over

battery is brand new (plus i put and old charged one on too)

turning the key does absolutely nothing! fuel pump doesn’t even prime

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koalar said:

have you connected two wires

thick red wire

and in place of the White wire in this mock up there should be a brown wire with a star washer

there's some large current around here I wouldn't mess with anything else until we have confirmed is wired correctly

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EdwardHooper said:

what i have done now, i have added the black spacer in so the Brown wire is at the bottom as your white wire. then, I have put the two red wires through the black casing and bolted them on top of each other

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koalar said:

red wires between the two nuts

sounds like we are moving forward

has the brown cable ever been left loose ??

when you turn the key what lights up on the dash ?

what was the car doing before changing the starter

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koalar said:

Black fuse box in the engine Bay right hand side. look at the 20A fuse





should the one to blow if the brown wire contacted the engine accidently.





was this what the car was doing original or is the no lights on the dash new ?

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koalar said:

be careful when checking the fuses





there are some blank spaces. It will not be the first time someone has pulled a fuse out to check it put it back in an adjacent space then spent days chasing their tails





a photo on a phone makes a handy reference

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koalar said:

take a look at this one. Pull it out


there's a hint its been hot top right of the fuse


there transparent. You should be able to see if its blown from the side


fuse box is pretty different to my old 1.2

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koalar said:

its likely to be F23





if you turn the Black cover over it will be impressed on the inside. Hard to see

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koalar said:

F23 normally powers the ignition and is normally a 20A fuse on a 1.2

seems to match this one which is my best guess

f23 and 20A match


what this one look like from the side

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