Just taken Billy Jean 06 and Pipper 05 to car heaven. Not worth putting through there next MOTs. 400,000 just under between them and metal getting quite thin.

Been looking for a low car tax around £800 and 2010 needing a bit of work


Not much around with Covid-19.


Suzuki Alto 09 turned up locally with an ABS fault for £875 and bought for £600

And now a Fiat Panda 2010 with a gearbox fault for £650 and bought for £500 unfortunately it was quite a long way away. It would have cost me £150 to flatbed it back so drove it back. Be interesting to see how much damage I have caused. The noise was horrendous and only had really had 4 gear that wasn't too bad.

koalar said:

And now a Fiat Panda 2010 with a gearbox fault for £650 and bought for £500 unfortunately it was quite a long way away. It would have cost me £150 to flatbed it back so drove it back. Be interesting to see how much damage I have caused. The noise was horrendous and only had really had 4 gear that wasn't too bad.

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So long as the damage is confined to the 'box. surely replacing it complete with one from a breakers is the way to go here.

Buyer beware of course but this might do it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-FIAT-PANDA-1242cc-Petrol-5-Speed-Manual-Gearbox-71795475/274486645721?fits=Car+Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3APanda%7CCars+Type%3A1.2&epid=17040211440&hash=item3fe8add3d9:g:FuMAAOSwb19fVjt5

PS When I changed my gear shift oil seal, I was surprised to find the roll pin was broken in two. Thankfully both fragments were trapped but had they dropped into the gears...

jrkitching said:

So long as the damage is confined to the 'box. surely replacing it complete with one from a breakers is the way to go here.

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Yep defiantly confined to the gearbox. The input shaft main bearing has deferntly let go big time. When warmed up it worse and quite a bit of judder. Had to hold it in gear as it bouncing around quite a bit and jumping out. Only done 70K


I am surprised we don't see more faulty one on here


I was at the breakers yesterday to get a seatbelt for an I10. Hyundai want £300 for a new one. £40 from the breakers.


Anyway the breakers said they sell quite a few. Seen a few on eBay for around £90

DaveMcT said:

Buyer beware of course but this might do it

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Just double check that the earlier 'boxes are interchangeable with yours. IIRC the 2010 ecoPandas might have different gear and/or final drive ratios.

Final drive ratio should be 3.438:1 for both 1.1 active and 1.2 dynamic.

I hired a 1.2 Fiat 500 back in 2014. It had the high 5th gear making it quite unpleasant to use. The engine could not cope with even slight slopes or headwinds demanding a downshift to 4th which was too wide a gap. Not good at all.

DaveMcT said:

I hired a 1.2 Fiat 500 back in 2014. It had the high 5th gear making it quite unpleasant to use. The engine could not cope with even slight slopes or headwinds demanding a downshift to 4th which was too wide a gap. Not good at all.

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Interestingly the high 5th gear works better with the 60HP Euro 4 engine in the Panda dynamic eco, since the 60HP engine actually produces more power & torque below 3500 rpm than the 69HP unit in the 500.

It's not nearly so good in the 1.1 Panda active eco; unlike the 1.2, it just doesn't have enough torque to pull 5th comfortably around town.

I think the 60HP 1.2 engine would have worked well in the 500, but the 500 got the 69HP VVT unit from launch.

mmm

had a look at the Panda

thought I might be referb the old gearbox with some new bearings

however when I dropped the oil there wasn't any in here. About a table spoon of ground metal was all that was left. Strange as there was no oil on his or my drive.

Got side tracked into another job. But managed to get the lower ball joints released and the drive shafts popped out.

Well, having no oil whatsoever in the gearbox would explain why it didn't work very well and made a funny noise.

Well

Took the gearbox out today. I will take some photos tomorrow.

The gears have tried to smash their way out of the housing.

there is a small crack and hole in the casing at different places

Heres the damage. Oh dear. Off the gearbox heaven.


I know it failed after the clutch was change while over 100 miles from home. We can only speculate. It looks like it was refiled with oil.

It's normal to drain the gearbox oil when doing the clutch change. It's likely there was internal damage before the clutch was replaced. Removing the box stirred up whatever was sitting inside and it got trapped in the gears.

As I mentioned before, my 6 speed box with it's broken roll pin on the shift shaft had me squeaking. The fragments had not fallen out but the only place to go is into the gears.

Been keeping an eye out for a local 1.2 for around £50 one will turn up eventually. Its used in a lot of cars

eBay is awash with Cleo, Micra 1.2 gearbox's for under £100 there is only one Punto at the moments. Either that means not many Puntos, 500, KA+ and so on aren't being broken up or as the breakers suggested its a common fail point and they are bought soon after going up


Looking at the photos pretty much every one is leaking oil from the input shaft and a few from the selectors. Thats why I am looking for a cheap box so I can at least change the seals and maybe the input bearing before lugging it back in


What I know so far

500

1.2 and diesel share the same ratios just the final drive different
1.4 is different ratios
500 Abarth Assetto Corse uses a 6 speed heavy duty M32

There seems to be some variation in final drive

Arbarth, Diesel and post 2012 that I know about

It's wise to replace the input shaft bearings on any used Fiat gearbox. Wobbly bearing risks bits falling into the geras and it will leak oil onto the clutch. Pull your broken box apart (nothing to lose) and you'll see what I mean. Later models have a grease filled 2RS bearing.

This should help -
https://www.fiatforum.com/punto-ii/158346-input-shaft-bearing-renewal.html

If you don't have a bearing puller you can practice cracking the bearing inner race. An angle grinder and slitting disc will slot the race like butter. Then crack it with a cold chisel. But it only works if you can get the cutting disc at the job without catching other parts.

Good job I am fitting a new input shaft bearing. The bearing has over heated, gone straw coloured and the cage disintegrated. All 7 ball bearings were there hanging at the bottom.

New input and drive shafts seals are now in place

Just a quick question

there is no collar for it to slide up to, there is a small gap between the bearing and the First gear.

I have the broken gearbox and its replacement. The gaps are slightly different.

the inner race isn't that tight on the shaft. The outer race is a sliding fit in the bellhousing. I am thinking of using the bellhousing to seat the bearing

It sounds like the bearing has seized and spun. That will destroy its fit on the shaft and/or into the casing.

Can you take parts from one box to fix the other?

both gearboxes have a similar gap here


the bearing is a slide fit into both bellhousings

Presumably, the old bearing was pressed up tight on the shaft shoulder. Maybe the bearing radius is too tight for the shaft radius. Regards the casing, some bearing fit Loctite may solve the issue.

DaveMcT said:

Presumably, the old bearing was pressed up tight on the shaft shoulder. Maybe the bearing radius is too tight for the shaft radius. Regards the casing, some bearing fit Loctite may solve the issue.

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there's no radius I have knocked of the inner race from the broken gearbox

been on elearn they show the bearing being knocked on with a special tool which is basically a pipe. However its not clear if the bearing should be fully home or if the tool stops the bearing just short of the gear.

I would be very surprised if the bearing did not sit up against the shoulder.. If it's fitted too short the shaft will probably bind in the crank needle roller and 4th gear might not engage properly.
Does the "Mr Wild" thread in the Punto section give any clues?

This search threw up an interesting point about how NOT to fit the output shafts. And of course Mr Wild's excellent input bearing "how to"
https://www.fiatforum.com/search.php?searchid=9788771