AndyRKett said:

Flicking back through this thread, a few things spring to mind.

People seem obcessed with the specific mileage being the main indicator of an engine’s longevity but this really isn’t the case, it’s worth noting that “motorway miles” play an important role, if a car sits in traffic barely moving all its life then it is going to sustain potentially much more wear at say 100,000 miles than an engine that has done 200k, this is why many machines and equipment with internal combustion engines has an hr meter so you can easily see the amount of use an engine has had.

If you where to drive up and down the country all day every day you would quickly be able to rack up 200,000 miles, maybe in a few short years.

The flip side of this is 90 year old dorris who only uses her car to go to the shop 1 mile down the road every 2 weeks.... which car out of these two do you think will make it to 200k miles ?

This brings me to my next point, engines of all manufacturers are fairly solid and reliable, it’s rarely the engine that sees a Car going to the scrap yard, maybe the perception of a worn engine especially as the car gets older, the thing being if a car does 15,000 miles a year (going over the average) it’s going to take over 13 years to get to 200,000 miles, by which time a car that is 13 years old with 200k on the clock is largely worthless especially a fiat, so when something goes wrong like it needs new shocks and springs which could need doing several time’s with that sort of distance, they owner is going to weigh up whether or not to pay £1000 for some work to be done on a car worth a couple of hundred quid v buy another Car. Then factor in the rust that a 13 year old car will have expecially after 13 higher milage winters, more washed etc it’s likely it’s not worth keeping the car.

So it’s not the milage on the dash that decides how long the car will last, 99% of the time it’s the car and the condition and maintenances of the car that puts the nails in the coffin.

Yes any car ‘engine’ should be able to manage 200,000 miles but that doesn’t mean the car will last as well.

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Why especially a fiat worthless at 200k?

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Later fire engines aren't safe, they are an interference engine. Cambelt failure will render it a thousand piece jigsaw

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Hi,
what would you do in this instance? = 2010 punto just failed the MOT on say emissions, two front struts, back wheel bearing and the airbag light on.
WHAT personally would you do?

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varesecrazy said:

1. Find the OBD Port..
That will hint at what could already cost big money

Dampers are £100 in parts..
bearing and sundries.. possibly another £100

2010 is a tough call..

Cheap diesel miles.. or a cheap petrol shopping car

But realistically only worth @£1k..

So if you pay labour rates.. its barely worthwhile

Ive got the bonnet up on an 07 mj grande this morning.. tidy 80k mile car
£30TAX...But it has an EGR leak.. previous poor repair.. part is £650.. Ive been staring at it for 7 months ..

Could be cut in for scrappage at this rate


If it was a 1.2 / 1.4 it would be a write.off pointless with £140 tax

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varesecrazy said:

1. Find the OBD Port..
That will hint at what could already cost big money

Dampers are £100 in parts..
bearing and sundries.. possibly another £100

2010 is a tough call..

Cheap diesel miles.. or a cheap petrol shopping car

But realistically only worth @£1k..

So if you pay labour rates.. its barely worthwhile

Ive got the bonnet up on an 07 mj grande this morning.. tidy 80k mile car
£30TAX...But it has an EGR leak.. previous poor repair.. part is £650.. Ive been staring at it for 7 months ..

Could be cut in for scrappage at this rate


If it was a 1.2 / 1.4 it would be a write.off pointless with £140 tax

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Hi, listen we got off to a bad start, don't know how, you sound like you've got your head screwed on, pardon me for pointing it out but kerfuffle wasn't about low values of old fiat cars, my opinion, and yes MY opinion, it was about how it was done and the sarky comment I got back. To be honest I'm bored with it now, I've moved on but I do love a good healthy debate. I totally agree with the low values of fiat cars to begin with reflect the fact in 15 years time when the car needs major work it's not worth spending more than £300 to get it through its mot, compare this with a 15 year old merc that cost 100k its a different story. Totally get it agree 100%
As I say we got off to a bad start, I'm sorry but I will tell you straight, you play nice with me and everything will be fine. And I'm sure the same goes for you.
OK now that we are mates (and my dad's bigger than yours anyway) what would you do in this instance? = 2010 punto just failed the MOT on say emissions, two front struts, back wheel bearing and the airbag light on.
WHAT personally would you do?

Regards

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koalar said:

Its very hypothetical

case 1

A 2010 in with Good bodywork you going to get another 5 relative trouble free years motoring.

And you are repairing the car yourself everything except the emissions is cheap as chips. MultiECUscan will tell you exactly what's wrong with the airbag. More than likely wiring to the passenger airbag. Struts I can normally find a decent S/H set complete for £30. Wheel bearings I class as consumables.


9 time out of 10 the emissions are something and nothing. Incorrectly tested is the most common. O2 sensor is also fairly common.

would be well worth fixing

But isn't the same as

Case 2

A bumped and bashed car that has been kept on a beach road. Showing signs of rust. Not been looked after and tyres, exhaust, battery are coming to there end of life. Blowing blue smoke. Plus paying a main dealer for the repair

You have to take each case individually


and sometimes its more than just money. The car may also have sentimental value.

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Bonkey dollocks said:

And here's another one, what a clicky sensitive lot I've stumbled across, thanks for your opinion , I disagree with it. I'm going to have lots of fun on here I can see, I love a challenge when it comes to personal opinions. FYI it was the sarky comment of " do I really need to explain that" that kicked it of, I don't get talked down by anyone I'm afraid least of all people like you three. I'm looking forward to this, looks like I've srumbled across a set of very fragile personality complexes haha! This is going to be fun!

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jimboy said:

Ah Mr donkey,at least you’re not abusive I’m in favour of free speech, simple as that, I to have had some banter on here with the lads, but the secret is not to take things personally. I would be amazed if everyone agreed with myself, but you see that’s what it’s all about Like all forums some things do get lost in translation. To be fair I’m probably on here too much at the moment, but I’m really still in lock down to a degree for family reasons.

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Hi Jim boy, hope lock downs going well in this heat! Then again I bet its cooler up north.
I agree there's banter and there's snotty opinionated not called for remarks. I don't do the later, I'm no shrinking violet (how could I be at 16 stone, 6 foot 2" and a doorman haha) but I just don't don't do snotty remarks. I treat people with respect, as if I was talking to anyone of my friends or family but if you want to try the idiot bring it on. That's how I lead my life, care for the important pleasant helpful people but dismiss unpleasant people with attitude. Haven't got time for that. I've had a few personal emails from quiet a few people telling me of bullying on here, that's music to my ears because one thing everybody hates and that's a bully.
Anyway, thanks for getting in touch, don't you worry about me pal handling awkward people is second nature to me.
Do you do all of your repairs yourself, is there a fiat only specialist near you? Are they busy? I was thinking of setting up but I want to guage the footfall to begin with.
Nice talking to you, hope you and the family keep safe ??

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jimboy said:

I used to do quite a lot of repairs, but old age and getting more decrepit has slowed me down, from the waist up I’m in good shape, but my pins and knees ain’t good I came on here years ago looking for information regarding a Punto and became hooked on the banter Saturday nights on here were quite a thing and I was recovering from a hip op’ and high on tramadol pain killers. Interesting rapport was had by all, but that was then, the world has changed, social media is just a mess, and I’m not talking about wee scraps on the likes of here, far more serious issues landing up with severe circumstances, but that’s another story. Be good and try to play the game.....:devil:

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Bonkey dollocks said:

Keep well Jim and keep tuned, you ain't seen nothing yet!

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varesecrazy said:

If it was a 1.2 / 1.4 it would be a write.off pointless with £140 tax

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koalar said:

at 14 and 15 years old the metal getting fairly thin. I would rather buy a £30 a year road tax newer model that will safer in a crash.

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