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Sorted out a new EV last week (Peugeot e208) last week with delivery before the end of the month.

Today my trusty Panda battery died.

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

Anyway, I've parked the car at the top of a hill a decent walk away so can't go out to measure it. Does anyone know what the spec / measurement of the 1.1 eco Active battery is? Don't think I'll be able to sell the Panda without it actually being able to start, but want as cheap a battery as is humanly possible!

Any pointers?
 
Yep, just tricky with where I've got it parked! Ran it for 30 minutes yesterday after getting it jump stated and even 5s after shutting down the engine there was nothing in the battery. I'll go out with a tape measure later!
 
are you keeping the car ? post 2009 were higher and stop start higher still.

For a 1.2 2009/10/11

12V 52AH 470A or 12V 54AH 530A according to the Bosch website

Unless it's got start stop

Then it's 12V 60AH 560A

Does depend on a lot of factors. Temperature, how often the car used. How far each trip and so on.

older cars were

2003-2009 is 40AH to 44AH for the 1.2. 8
 
are you keeping the car ? post 2009 were higher and stop start higher still.

For a 1.2 2009/10/11

12V 52AH 470A or 12V 54AH 530A according to the Bosch website

Unless it's got start stop

Then it's 12V 60AH 560A

Does depend on a lot of factors. Temperature, how often the car used. How far each trip and so on.

older cars were


2003-2009 is 40AH to 44AH for the 1.2. 8

He is not keeping the car as said in his OP.
 
He is not keeping the car as said in his OP.

seems to be worded differently to when I first read it ?


why buy new then.

my local breakers charges £15 tested with 3 months warranty. Ones off a Punto fit fine. Wider and not as tall. Straps a bit loose but will still hold it.
 
seems to be worded differently to when I first read it ?


why buy new then.

my local breakers charges £15 tested with 3 months warranty. Ones off a Punto fit fine. Wider and not as tall. Straps a bit loose but will still hold it.

If I want to sell a used runaround quickly.. iffy starting isnt something that features as a 'must have'

The cheapest option battery will either :

Work faultlessly for 3 years

Or

Highlight the reason the current one isnt coping
 
Thanks all.

Yes, the car is getting disposed of in the next few weeks, so I would like it to be able to start to get best price. I suspect we're talking £500-£800 max, but if it didn't start I'd be losing at least £40 so it is wrht getting a battery.

Yes, I could head to a breakers etc but I'm not car savvy so prefer to buy "new" but cheap. Tayna has one arriving for £40 for me.

The only reason I asked about sizing was because the EuroCarParts website said there were two alternative fitment types, and being a bit of a numpty I didn't know whether that meant there were two that would definitely fit, or whether I had to chose the right one as it wouldn't be the case tha tboth options A or B would fit if I got the wrong one.

Hopefully there isn't an underlying fault that will kill the battery in a few days when I get the new one through. I know little about these things, but if I need an alternator replacing etc I'll end up wasting cash on the battery (potentially). Though when AutoAid came out on Friday night they were defiitely reading the battery as being low on volts / dead. Just surprised it happened so quickly without any prior issues.

So fingers crossed battery arrives this week, I slot it into the car (whilst parked on a hill!) and it all runs again. Thanks for posting on here - I was probably unable to go wrong really, but good to have the help on here as ever. Could be my last series of postings though as I lost my Barchetta 10 years ago, the Multipla 18 months ago and now the Panda is on its way out.

I'll be back to Fiat one day though.
 
A knackered battery can behave adequately when parked on level ground then go flat when parked on a hill. It's caused by sludge shifting about in the cells.

Used alternators are from £30. New are around £70. Easy to fit (i.e. cheap) if you don't have aircon. Good luck if you do have aircon. Saying that, alternator is unlikely unless its been showing the charge warning light with the engine running,
 
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Cheers Dave. Didn't know that about batteries / hills.

I doubt the incline had an effect though - the mechanic measured it when parked up on the flat and advised it was a dead battery; he just started it with a portable battery. As soon as I parked up I tried to turn over the engine again and there was nothing beyond doing, so when the battery arrives at least I'll be able to drive it home and get it sorted by bump-starting it (tried that last night after 24 hours of it being parked up without any issue).

No aircon. Nothing complex on the 2010 Eco Active; no stop start, no aircon, few frills indeed.
 
Out of intetest.. you say it bumpstarted last night..??

And it had been 'jumped' with a 2nd battery recently


Was it driven??


I ask because the PAS uses lots of electrical power.. this would normally highlight a bad charging circuit.. :(

DO keep us informed :)

What are you driving in August..??
 
Out of intetest.. you say it bumpstarted last night..??

And it had been 'jumped' with a 2nd battery recently


Was it driven??


I ask because the PAS uses lots of electrical power.. this would normally highlight a bad charging circuit.. :(

DO keep us informed :)

What are you driving in August..??

I found it dead last Friday morning and assumed the kids had left a door open and drained the battery. Rolled it out of the drive and tried to jump start with jump leads off my Hyundai i800 but got nothing; not sure if I had bad leads or a bad connection to the battery / engine for earth, but I hadn't experienced "failing" at jump starting before.

Tried again that evening with no joy, so called out the breakdown service. He advised dead battery (was reading 10v or so) but agreed to start it up providing I signed off on him advising new battery needed.

Drove it for 30 minutes to try to recharge, but whilst driving along after about 20 minutes flashed my headlights for some reason, and the radio cut off momentarily, so I assumed it wasn't charging or holding a charge.

Parked up at the top of a hill just to be safe, turned engine off and then immediately tried to restart with the key. Nothing doing.

So rolled it down the hill and bump started without an issue, drove round in a circle and parked up on the hill again.

Left it 24 hours and did the rolling bump start again just to check a cold engine would start up, and had no problems.

I don't know if the "flashing headlights" anecdote above indicates something else about the electrics that has gone awry, but the £40 battery is arriving today and if that sees me through for the next 10 days or so whilst I still have this car so that I can sell it on, that's fine by me.

I'm getting a Peugeot e208. A bit different, a few more "frills" than the Panda, circumstances means its the right choice at the moment. Homecharger point being fitted today, hopefull I'll get the car early next week.
 
A battery with shorted-out cells will not respond to jump starts and can overload the alternator. It's highly likely that if you disconnect the dead battery earth, the car will start on a jump starter or jump leads. BUT you must leave that connected because running with no battery can cause electrical damage.
 
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