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General Normal oil usage

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General Normal oil usage

benj111 said:
no one knows you're a dog, but on the other hand no one knows you're not either. Now fetch :p
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Really? Are you saying what I think you are saying?

Oil will float on water and not always mix creating emulsion.
Even fuel might leak to the sump down the pistonrings.

But if you want to completely tear down your engine, assuming the worst, but not to find anything wrong with it, go ahead, be my guest.:rolleyes:
 
A3jeroen said:
Really? Are you saying what I think you are saying?
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I don't know, what do you think I'm saying.


Oil will float on water and not always mix creating emulsion.
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Yes fair enough, but how likely is that? and you used the word condensation. I am extremely dubious that an engine thats used at all regularly could accumulate half a litre of water in condensation.

Again to reiterate, I don't know how much you know about cars, you could be an amateur throwing ideas out there, or you could be an expert that deals with this stuff day in, day out. If you're an amateur throwing ideas out there, thankyou, you may suggest something that hadn't occured to me, but ultimately I have to evaluate how reasonable that sounds. If youre an expert then obviously you know more than me, and even something that I think is unlikely should be evaluated more fully.

I hope I'm not coming across as arsy or anything, my first reply was trying to show some respect, give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you give more context, I suppose I could just have ignored you and your advice, but /personally/ I think that would be rude. So I will appologise if you've taken offense, and I'm walking away now :)
 
Hi Benj

Bit late to the party.

i would just park in the same place and check it weekly at the same temperature noting the level and topping up when necessary and noting how much you use if you have to top up.

As long as you have more than the minimum all the time you should be fine, over the weeks you will get a definitive answer as to what you may use/burn/or leak.

Our 1.2 petrol does 7k between yearly services and always has an oil change every year at 7k so the oil never degrades, we don't have to top up over the year and it never gets down to the minimum, its now on 92k and is 15 years old. we use 10/40 semi synthetic

Please check under the coil packs as older engines harden the oil seal from the cam housing as they age leaking oil down to the bell housing where it cannot be seen easily.

Tim

Tim
 
benj111 said:
I don't know, what do you think I'm saying.




Yes fair enough, but how likely is that? and you used the word condensation. I am extremely dubious that an engine thats used at all regularly could accumulate half a litre of water in condensation.

Again to reiterate, I don't know how much you know about cars, you could be an amateur throwing ideas out there, or you could be an expert that deals with this stuff day in, day out. If you're an amateur throwing ideas out there, thankyou, you may suggest something that hadn't occured to me, but ultimately I have to evaluate how reasonable that sounds. If youre an expert then obviously you know more than me, and even something that I think is unlikely should be evaluated more fully.

I hope I'm not coming across as arsy or anything, my first reply was trying to show some respect, give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you give more context, I suppose I could just have ignored you and your advice, but /personally/ I think that would be rude. So I will appologise if you've taken offense, and I'm walking away now :)
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Reading this has been very entertaining, and you are correct there is no way that half a litre of water is in with the oil, it would be foaming like cheese, proper lubrication would not exist and the engine would be shagged.
There is nothing wrong with being arsy, when crazy statements are made clearly by someone that could not possibly be an expert.
 
To to give a review on the Forte Seal Conditioner. It didn't work,

I /think/ i might have found an external leak, the coil pack o ring seal, im going to try replacing it anyway along with the other external seals, and hopefully more important things wont keep breakng first so i actually get a chance to do it.
 
Its about as useful as the instant head gasket repair you pour into the radiator, but at least Forte wont clog up your engine.

Valve seals "can" be replaced with the cylinder head in place. Compressed air via the spark plug hole is used to hold the valve closed while the springs are removed to change the stem seals. It's not a dead cert to work, but if it goes wrong, the worst case would be to remove the head and do the job normally.
 
I am lost with this thread. Who's still having problems ect.

However both my Pandas use oil. Its never been a problem

Oil is suppose to checked ever 300 miles

Unless you are using more than a litre per 1000 miles or burning blue smoke I wouldn't worry about it.

Often second hand cars haven't been topped up for ages and at the bottom of the stick.

My Panda is a bit strange. It uses more oil at the start of winter then settles down again. Done it for 3 years. Never had enough interest to investigate why
 
koalar

I started the thread, the forte stuff was suggested, i tried it and fed back here.

my oil usage isn't normal. I changed the oil and put in the forte stuff I guess in February, i had 1 litre of oil i put in and bought a new 5 litre bottle. I have just had to buy another 5L. so thats 6 litres into a car that takes 2.8. in 6 months.
 
benj111 said:
koalar

I started the thread, the forte stuff was suggested, i tried it and fed back here.

my oil usage isn't normal. I changed the oil and put in the forte stuff I guess in February, i had 1 litre of oil i put in and bought a new 5 litre bottle. I have just had to buy another 5L. so thats 6 litres into a car that takes 2.8. in 6 months.
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What brand and grade of oil have you been adding?
How many miles have you driven since february to burn 6litres?
 
benj111 said:
koalar

I started the thread, the forte stuff was suggested, i tried it and fed back here.

my oil usage isn't normal. I changed the oil and put in the forte stuff I guess in February, i had 1 litre of oil i put in and bought a new 5 litre bottle. I have just had to buy another 5L. so thats 6 litres into a car that takes 2.8. in 6 months.
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thanks (y) how many miles have you done. If you've done say 15K then it would be high but not excessively. It is a shock when moving from a car that doesn't require topping up between oil changes

Distance and driving conditions is what matters not time.


here the official line. And this on a brand new engine. By the way grams convert very closely to milliliters.


"The maximum engine oil consumption is usually 400 grams every 1,000 km. When the car is new, the engine needs to run in, therefore the engine oil consumption can only be considered stabilised after the first 5,000 - 6,000 km.
IMPORTANT: The oil consumption depends on driving style and the conditions under which the car is used."



Assuming you have done say 6K you would have to work out if you are leaking or burning it..


Rusty porous sumps are common but should leave a drip on the drive.
 
Hi
Our 1.1 leaked from 6 years old.. and level noticably dropped.. but over extended periods

Your 6,000 miles..

50mph in top.. panda territory ;)
Is far better than 80 mph in top

Stop.start city driving.. potentially worse

In reality oil consumption can run alongside mpg..

They are driven.. by driving conditions..


My FIRE motors have leaked from.. in order of frequency:

Cam cover gasket.. dribbles..when running

Coil.pack to head seal.. (its a poor o.ring)
dribbles as long as oil is against it

Camshaft oil seal.. dribbles down cambelt run.. as long as motor is running

Rotten sump pan.. leaks constantly.. steady weeps ..motor off oil thick
+ steady drips as motor warms and oil thins.

Give the motors head and sump pan a good wipe around.. new oily bits will become obvious ;)

Your consumption is still within spec for 'new'.. but agreed..it gets expensive and tedious


An early 1.3 Lampredi I had flashed the oil lamp on fast corners.. that burnt some

But it was the only £100 car I towed with in Europe :)
 
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I had a 900cc Seicento with one lady owner, full service history and 40K on the clock, blah, blah. It drove like half the horses had run away and it did use a little oil. But it was cheap so I lived with it.

I took a job working away all week so it got a good thrashing on motorways. After about a month the performance had improved, fuel consumption (lack of) became embarrassing as I could reclaim the miles but they needed the receipts. It also stopped burning oil.

Basically it had been slogged about at low speed all its life leaving the pistons tight. It had probably never even seen 40mph before I bought it. Using it as the Italians intended and all was well.
 
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If you suspect the piston rings are sticking, Drop some REDEX in the fuel tank, remove the spark plugs and drop a tea spoonful down each cylinder, turn the engine over 90deg pop another teaspoonful down, turn engine over on starter motor, replace spark plugs, go for a cuppa then start the engine, there will be blue /black smoke as the gum around the piston rings is cleared off which will hopefully free the rings.
 
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