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Old 11-02-2020   #16
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Re: Normal oil usage

I just got a 1.1 last week with 80k on it.

I was bemused to discover it had oil just touching the bottom of the dipstick when I checked.
It took nearly a litre to bring it up.

Since driven Lincoln to Edinburgh, and tomorrow I'll do Edinburgh to Orkney; then I'll check it again...
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If it has been used on short drives (not heated properly) condensation might have added fluid getting the level at max. One proper run heating the oil up to normal working temperature will loose all that water leaving you with a low level.
I'd check it regularly in the coming time. Might be nothing at all.

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Really? we're talking over half a litre of A) water finding it's way into the system, B) getting boiled off again. Plus water + oil = mayo, does it not???
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check the oil on a frosty morning before starting the engine isn't the same as


running the engine up to temperature. Waiting 5 minuets then checking the oil. As you are suppose to.


Oil expands. Its noticeable but not enough to be concerned about.
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Really really!

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Really really!

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I'm dubious, I've given my reasons why, and you aren't addressing them. I am not an expert, but I don't know if you are either, so the sensible course in the situation it to allow you to expand you answer.

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If I check my oil, it's normally before warming up, so I was comparing apples to apples at least.
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no one knows you're a dog, but on the other hand no one knows you're not either. Now fetch

Really? Are you saying what I think you are saying?

Oil will float on water and not always mix creating emulsion.
Even fuel might leak to the sump down the pistonrings.

But if you want to completely tear down your engine, assuming the worst, but not to find anything wrong with it, go ahead, be my guest.
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Really? Are you saying what I think you are saying?
I don't know, what do you think I'm saying.


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Oil will float on water and not always mix creating emulsion.
Yes fair enough, but how likely is that? and you used the word condensation. I am extremely dubious that an engine thats used at all regularly could accumulate half a litre of water in condensation.

Again to reiterate, I don't know how much you know about cars, you could be an amateur throwing ideas out there, or you could be an expert that deals with this stuff day in, day out. If you're an amateur throwing ideas out there, thankyou, you may suggest something that hadn't occured to me, but ultimately I have to evaluate how reasonable that sounds. If youre an expert then obviously you know more than me, and even something that I think is unlikely should be evaluated more fully.

I hope I'm not coming across as arsy or anything, my first reply was trying to show some respect, give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you give more context, I suppose I could just have ignored you and your advice, but /personally/ I think that would be rude. So I will appologise if you've taken offense, and I'm walking away now
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Hi Benj

Bit late to the party.

i would just park in the same place and check it weekly at the same temperature noting the level and topping up when necessary and noting how much you use if you have to top up.

As long as you have more than the minimum all the time you should be fine, over the weeks you will get a definitive answer as to what you may use/burn/or leak.

Our 1.2 petrol does 7k between yearly services and always has an oil change every year at 7k so the oil never degrades, we don't have to top up over the year and it never gets down to the minimum, its now on 92k and is 15 years old. we use 10/40 semi synthetic

Please check under the coil packs as older engines harden the oil seal from the cam housing as they age leaking oil down to the bell housing where it cannot be seen easily.

Tim

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I don't know, what do you think I'm saying.




Yes fair enough, but how likely is that? and you used the word condensation. I am extremely dubious that an engine thats used at all regularly could accumulate half a litre of water in condensation.

Again to reiterate, I don't know how much you know about cars, you could be an amateur throwing ideas out there, or you could be an expert that deals with this stuff day in, day out. If you're an amateur throwing ideas out there, thankyou, you may suggest something that hadn't occured to me, but ultimately I have to evaluate how reasonable that sounds. If youre an expert then obviously you know more than me, and even something that I think is unlikely should be evaluated more fully.

I hope I'm not coming across as arsy or anything, my first reply was trying to show some respect, give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you give more context, I suppose I could just have ignored you and your advice, but /personally/ I think that would be rude. So I will appologise if you've taken offense, and I'm walking away now
Reading this has been very entertaining, and you are correct there is no way that half a litre of water is in with the oil, it would be foaming like cheese, proper lubrication would not exist and the engine would be shagged.
There is nothing wrong with being arsy, when crazy statements are made clearly by someone that could not possibly be an expert.
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To to give a review on the Forte Seal Conditioner. It didn't work,

I /think/ i might have found an external leak, the coil pack o ring seal, im going to try replacing it anyway along with the other external seals, and hopefully more important things wont keep breakng first so i actually get a chance to do it.
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Re: Normal oil usage

Its about as useful as the instant head gasket repair you pour into the radiator, but at least Forte wont clog up your engine.

Valve seals "can" be replaced with the cylinder head in place. Compressed air via the spark plug hole is used to hold the valve closed while the springs are removed to change the stem seals. It's not a dead cert to work, but if it goes wrong, the worst case would be to remove the head and do the job normally.
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Re: Normal oil usage

I am lost with this thread. Who's still having problems ect.

However both my Pandas use oil. Its never been a problem

Oil is suppose to checked ever 300 miles

Unless you are using more than a litre per 1000 miles or burning blue smoke I wouldn't worry about it.

Often second hand cars haven't been topped up for ages and at the bottom of the stick.

My Panda is a bit strange. It uses more oil at the start of winter then settles down again. Done it for 3 years. Never had enough interest to investigate why
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I started the thread, the forte stuff was suggested, i tried it and fed back here.

my oil usage isn't normal. I changed the oil and put in the forte stuff I guess in February, i had 1 litre of oil i put in and bought a new 5 litre bottle. I have just had to buy another 5L. so thats 6 litres into a car that takes 2.8. in 6 months.
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@koalar

I started the thread, the forte stuff was suggested, i tried it and fed back here.

my oil usage isn't normal. I changed the oil and put in the forte stuff I guess in February, i had 1 litre of oil i put in and bought a new 5 litre bottle. I have just had to buy another 5L. so thats 6 litres into a car that takes 2.8. in 6 months.
What brand and grade of oil have you been adding?
How many miles have you driven since february to burn 6litres?
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Shell Helix, < 6K.
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