Technical 2004 Panda 1.1 active - Whining issue?

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Technical 2004 Panda 1.1 active - Whining issue?

It might be the age of the car or maybe there is a difference as mine is an ECO model.
Or its because yours has been doing shorter jouney's all its life (by the state of the oil).
on an economical run (60- 65mph) I can get about 330 miles which leaves 1/4 tank remaining so as a guess, about a 400 mile range
 
That short shifting seems a bit excessive to me, a happy engine is one that is revving.
I must admit that getting good mpg used to be a priority to me, but nowadays I don't bother too much, I am very happy with 40ish mpg out of the panda, in comparison to my cl500 which I have put off the road for the winter, was getting 16 mpg.


Yes short shifting is very low, this panda is driven by four different -drivers from 18 to 49 years of age so it gets all sorts of different use by different people.

I tend to save my high rev driving for my 850 coupe and lombardi GP, so i can balance things by driving the panda efficiently and often transporting the two classics with the boxer van which uses the adblue additive to keep its emissions down. just trying to think off my overall uses as a whole.

Tim
 
Thank you Charlie:)

I noticed AndyRKett and Kronkron were singing the MJ's praises recently.

My parents are looking to reduce their motoring costs and I've been banging on rather tediously to them how good the Panda is - and I can't imagine there's a cheaper form of motoring to be had.

In hilly parts of the world I can't help wondering if the MJ would be the better car.

I'd argue that the Multijet is the better car in any part of the world than the petrol.

I've owned 5 different punto's 3 diesels and 2 petrol.

I had a mk1 1.2 petrol which was a nice little car light and suited the little petrol engine well.

Then I had both a 1.3 and a 1.9 mk2b diesel. I did about 80,000 miles in the 1.3 commuting sometimes 120 miles a day and doing numerous trips to the other side of the country. and the only thing that ever let me down was a broken earth lead and the water pump seal went.

The water pump is belt driven and seperate to the engine block, so it was a very cheap and easy fix. Plus it was winter and the cold running temps of the diesel meant I was able to drive it 20 miles to a garage with no problems (and no coolant) My wife an I still talk of "the trip we did to yorkshire" where the weather was so cold the wipers kept freezing and there was about 5 inches of snow fall during the journey but the little engine kept going without any problems.

I now have the 1.6 multijet in a punto Evo which is basically a van engine its ok but its not like the 1.3. Overall the multijet engines are great, but my favorite has to be the 1.3. its just such as brilliant little package.

If I were to buy a Panda (I have considered it) it would 100% be a 1.3 diesel 4x4 cross. If I could get 60mpg in a heavier punto I'm sure that any panda would do 60+mpg all day everyday.


My main car these days is either a 2.0l Golf TDI or a 2.0L Mini Cooper countryman both with 150hp. I've driven both of these abroad and at much greater speeds than allowed in the Uk and the only down side the 1.3 multijet has compared to bigger more powerful engines is when you get much above 70mph the fuel economy dips massively and it quickly runs out of puff.
 
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What I did notice this morning is that when the car was stone cold, when I accelerated up the steep hill from my house in 2nd gear, the alternator belt seemed to squeal for a few seconds. Couldn't reproduce it though. It does still occasionally chirp on cold start too. Could it be that the belt still isn't quite as tight as it should be?
 
What I did notice this morning is that when the car was stone cold, when I accelerated up the steep hill from my house in 2nd gear, the alternator belt seemed to squeal for a few seconds. Couldn't reproduce it though. It does still occasionally chirp on cold start too. Could it be that the belt still isn't quite as tight as it should be?

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42mpg from the last tank again. I'm actually happy with that, given the cold temperatures and the very steep hills it drives up for 50% of it's journeys
 
This car is very inconsistent!!!
This current tank, the level started to drop after a few miles, it normally takes 20-30 to move off of full.
Also at 3/4 of a tank with only 60 miles on the trip so far.
I am fairly certain I can smell fuel when the car is running too.
Any ideas?


Edit - I'd say I'm on track to get 220 miles before the fuel light comes on which is about 36-38 mpg I believe. I haven't done most of the driving so far though, my partner has.
It'll be going on a longer 150 mile round trip at the weekend, which will be very interesting!


Thinking out loud here, but a slightly loose alternator belt wouldn't reduce mpg would it?
Just trying to think of all options here.
It starts up fine, sometimes when warm it'll crank for a couple of seconds longer than when it's cold for some reason, but not very often.
 
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there is a rubber hose that passes under the air filter, this is a common fault for splitting or cracking, this could be the problem and also where the fuel smell is coming from.
inspect the hoses to the left of the air filter as you look at it, it might be worth removing the complete air filter assembly to inspect the hose along its entire length.
 
I have removed all of this when doing the spark plugs and bits. Perhaps I haven't put it back on fully. I'll check tonight.

Would this reduce MPG?

Cheers
there is a rubber hose that passes under the air filter, this is a common fault for splitting or cracking, this could be the problem and also where the fuel smell is coming from.
inspect the hoses to the left of the air filter as you look at it, it might be worth removing the complete air filter assembly to inspect the hose along its entire length.
 
Evening,

Checked the hose mentioned and it looks old and the bit connecting to the air box looks brittle. I'll buy a replacement tonight.
Whilst the car was running I smelt that area and smelt fuel. I assume you shouldn't be able to smell fuel around that connection at all? Looks like something, either fuel or oil around the air box connections too? Not sure if this is normal? Hopefully the pictures will attach!

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Would this reduce MPG?

Cheers

more than likely, I believe it is part of the crank breather system allowing the gasses and fuel vapour to be passed back through the engine.
I think its the hose showing in the far left picture above that you posted.
 
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Okay. That one didn't look particularly bad, I mainly looked over the more tired looking right hand branch off of it. Either way, I will replace the whole thing.

Should it smell of fuel at all? I could smell it from being stood over the engine bay
more than likely, I believe it is part of the crank breather system allowing the gasses and fuel vapour to be passed back through the engine.
I think its the hose showing in the far left picture above that you posted.
 
You may get a whiff of fuel with the air filter removed but it shouldn't be a strong odour, have a check around the injectors as well. that hose should be completely sealed at all three connection points
 
I could smell it with everything put back together.
I assume that's not right?

The metal crimped clip on one end of the hose, can I reuse it, or do I need to get a fresh one?
You may get a whiff of fuel with the air filter removed but it shouldn't be a strong odour, have a check around the injectors as well. that hose should be completely sealed at all three connection points
 
replace it with a stainless jubilee clip, but if that is the only securing device then that could be the issue, secure the other end with a second clip and use a fuel pipe small hose clamp for the spur pipe.
 
replace it with a stainless jubilee clip, but if that is the only securing device then that could be the issue, secure the other end with a second clip and use a fuel pipe small hose clamp for the spur pipe.
The spur pipe being the left hand pipe, correct?
 
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